SMN poorly implemented

[Azuta]

Yes unfortunately

I mean I've pretty much accepted at this point summoner is just gonna be going towards a route I can't really agree with. So I've just been looking into other jobs as of late. I mean if people like it the way it is, who am I to tell them otherwise ^^

[Cynfael]

Who manages their pet anymore, once its summoned? just leave it on auto pilot.

Inside, a tiny part of me momentarily exploded into an incoherent state much like road rage and then died.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Lol. I admit it would be cool. But to Solo, stuff can't happen outside of anime. If it happened in-game, 90% of the population would probably go smn. lol.

Haha this is true, but hey the other jobs at lvl 80 could get equally fabulous rotations.

[silentwindfr]

@gore @Solo

See its these ideas I want to see in summoner. These advance demonstrations of summoning prowess and talents are essential, in separating what makes a black mage a black mage and what makes a summoner a summoner.

i'm curious to know what is the difference?
in the solo game, them pet was not different that ultra advanced magic attack on area. the only difference was... well to make the party disappear and deal tons of damage... but it was a direct damage caster. FF11 did the same, people was calling the summoning and use one skill and send it back.

if you look at it... the function of the summoner is identical to the black mage, the difference is.... well appearance of the skill. you don't believe me?

ifrit = big fire spell
shiva = big ice spell
leviathan = big water spell...

we can continue like this for hours. summoner is simply an advanced jobs for black mage.... them function and skill are virtually doing the same. the difference is often black mage get other spell like bio, sleep,.... we can argue than FF12 have done it differently and it's true, but if you remember when a summon was called, the other party member was replaced by it.

we are in a mmorpg, we can't have a jobs that will work like in solo game... we can't have a jobs that can do everything too (for you red mage) we are into a game that need to be balanced around playing with other.

most of the summoner complain are an ego trouble, nothing much. then want impressive summon for show they are the boss.... sadly play pet class or summoner of badassitude don't work well in mmorpg. i did play pet jobs for loooong, very long! your pet are your strongest point, but at the same time, they are your biggest weakness!

Yoshida and it team have work really hard for bring a summoner that can fit into mmorpg and be balanced, even with heavensward they have show you that they can offer you new possibility... and i still people complaining.... seriously... time to grow up.

[HexWeaver]

They've overhauled SMN enough and people still aren't happy.. short of scrapping the job and making it the same boring job from 11 Square Enix at this point are probably like..

[Higashikata]

oh look, this thread again.

[Azuta]

@Silentwindr
Yes but the solo games did one thing right. Is that they made the focus of the job its summons. With this summoner the focus isn't on the summons no, no one cares about ifrit egi, titan egi or garuda egi, other then keeping there dps in a good place.

Pain Flare, Deathflare, Fester, Tri-Disaster, Bane, Shadow Flare. All the most visually impressive skills? Its not your summons doing it nope. Its you the summoner doing them and you the summoner that is the spotlight. Your summons aren't visually anything special and there attacks are equally not visual impressive other then enkindle.

Trance isn't even summoning and again another tool to make the summoner themselves the impressive one. While leaving the summons looking unimpressive and pathetic in comparison. You can keep the egi the way they are and still make the attacks they do and the actions they preform impressive and worthy of praise.

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Ninjas have impressive stylish ninjutsu, monks punch and kick with authenticity and feeling, Black Mage's and White Mages have impressive spells worthy of their solo game counter parts. Dragoons jump to the sky and come down with a satisfying crash and impact. All these jobs main actions are clear and very well represented and impressive in visuals and execution.

Its my favorite job in the entire series and the very job that made me fall in love with the franchise among other things. A working job it is, however a final fantasy summoner it is not. A world of warcraft warlock yes ^^ However a Final Fantasy Summoner no...

[Ronove]

I dunno... Deathflare you're doing because Bahamut/Dreadwyrm Trance so that's kinda a summon doing it, just doing it through you.

[Ephemiel]

Just make Dreadwyrm Trance look similar to Nero's Devil Trigger from Devil May Cry 4 [where we have a spectral Bahamut or just his wings on our backs].

That's all i want as a recently made Summoner, not the crazy ideas mentioned here. Idk why people seem to want a literal Summoner like previous FF. Would i love if my summons were like Yuna's Aeons? Hell yeah. Would it make sense in an MMO? Hell no.

There's some people who want more Summons, but....why? We have ranged, melee and tank, what else do we need? Just do this: Make new Egis as glamors. Have Leviathan as range, have Ravana as melee and so on.

[IlSire]

SMN is very good now, the only complaint is being stuck with the same three egis, we should be able to summon an egi version of each primal we have defeated.
Pet glamour could easily fix that however, just slot new egis into existing categories, making them an alternate skin of what we have now in order to make balancing easier.

Something like:
Caster Pet: Emerald Carby - Garuda Egi - Ramuh Egi
Tank Pet: Topaz Carby - Titan Egi - Shiva Egi- Bismarck Egi
Melee Pet: Ruby Carby - Ifrit Egi - Leviathan Egi - Ravana Egi

Lore wise it could be explained that we can't summon new egis because of our limited aether but a workaround would be found basically consisting in "replacing" those we have now with different ones.
With a system like this we could get an Egi at the same time a new primal releases, making things much more interesting.

I'll be very, very happy if this glamour system turns out to be something like this.