SMN poorly implemented

[Dualblade]

Summoner is not a pet job it was orginally a Black Mage that decided to focus on the art of summoning which is how Summoners were born. To make it more of a Summoner SE would have to give us the ability to transform into a unique God/Goddesss embodying Hydealyn in order to keep in line with the lore.

In a way both X and XII summons were basically a pet class. In X's case a very OP one except for certain battles (and even then it had enough time to do the original version of "giant attack animation"), while XII was toned down a bit from that and basically always on Sic.

[Nestama]

In a way both X and XII summons were basically a pet class. In X's case a very OP one except for certain battles (and even then it had enough time to do the original version of "giant attack animation"), while XII was toned down a bit from that and basically always on Sic.

Unless you played the Zodiac Job System, then you could play as the Summon and could freely use their Astral Flow.

[Dualblade]

Unless you played the Zodiac Job System, then you could play as the Summon and could freely use their Astral Flow.

TO be fair not everyone can play the International Version. Not legally anyways.

[Nadirah]

You realize that making the class wholly around the pet, you alienate players that want to play their character, not a primal avatar, right?

And balance. Basing it around the summons has the very real potential to either rock face or suck ass.

On top of it, you can give them a dozen summons and you still end up with this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhvvNGeHHME

[Yukiko]

SMN should be like this:

[Dualblade]

SMN should be like this:

coughcough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FWFKRR1K4 cough

[Ephemiel]

coughcough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FWFKRR1K4 cough

See, why don't we have those wings for Dreadwyrm Trance? Maybe a smaller version since we're not fully channeling Bahamut like we do with Teraflare. That would make that skill much more epic than just a buff we get.

[Saggo]

You realize that making the class wholly around the pet, you alienate players that want to play their character, not a primal avatar, right?

That's making a whole mess of assumptions about mechanics. Plenty of games let you control a pet without losing perspective on your character. Part of the draw.

And balance. Basing it around the summons has the very real potential to either rock face or suck ass.

Balance can be done, without the massive cost to time and life people enjoy implying.