SMN poorly implemented

[Craiger]

If SE is screwing up SMN, then I hope they continue doing that...

2.X SMN had potential, but was a little underwhelming IMO, which they certainly changed now in 3.0. If my static didn't need a melee DPS, I would probably go SMN now, because they are f'cking awesome.

Saying a job is poorly implemented because it's not like in FFXI is a pretty stupid statement tbh... 'because this isn't FFXI, and Yoshi-P doesn't want to just copy that game.

FFXI's SMN was boring.

[Caitlyn]

SMNs got Ark Mhon and Gigaflare. They must be the happiest people in Eorzea xD

[Bigcat9715]

There's nothing wrong with Smn. My only complaint is that pets didn't get any new abilities and Tri-Disaster has spoiled me.

[Akiza]

Only thing that SE needs ta add to the next expansion is another form of Summoning since we have conjuration with summoning egis and invocation with channeling the power of Bahamut. The next spell line should be Transmutation where the Summoner transforms into a God. Since according to lore the warrior of light power is encroaching the Realm of Gods.

[gorezilla1]

carbuncle is pretty much is non existent after level 30, not sure I really like the way SE designed the SMN class. In FF11 there were so many summons you could use, compared to FF14 its sad. And it what made it even worse was no new summons in the expansion.

Ugh... Another one of these. Just because the class isn't what you what, doesn't meant it isn't what it should be. Do egis look dumb? Yes, but they are still powerful to contribute 1/3 of a good smns dps. Also, FFXI didn't launch with so many avatars. It took several expansions. It's also not like you used all your avatars. From what everyone had said, it seemed you simply used about 2 for serious group content. And look at the game, it was so unbalanced between classes. So instead, SE is balancing all the classes we currently have. So yes, you had like 15, but exactly how many did you use? As it stands most SMNS don't use ifrit, and Titan is mostly useless outside of soloing content, so they made the "better" choice of balancing the pets. It's not as though they don't plan on giving us more. But if their plan is to give us a bunch of egis, but we all only use one, I'd rather they just stayed with the 3 we currently have.

At this point might as well called the jon envoker or Channelers, something along those lines. It sure is not a summoner in my eyes.

You do realize that in FFIII, SMN is just an advanced form of evoker?

[Azuta]

You do realize that in FFIII, SMN is just an advanced form of evoker?

Oh yes I am quite aware of that, hence why I call this class an evoker since it sure it not anywhere near the spectrum of a summoner. A lesser summoner at best really, hence envoker.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Ugh... Another one of these. Just because the class isn't what you what, doesn't meant it isn't what it should be. Do egis look dumb? Yes, but they are still powerful to contribute 1/3 of a good smns dps. Also, FFXI didn't launch with so many avatars. It took several expansions. It's also not like you used all your avatars. From what everyone had said, it seemed you simply used about 2 for serious group content. And look at the game, it was so unbalanced between classes. So instead, SE is balancing all the classes we currently have. So yes, you had like 15, but exactly how many did you use? As it stands most SMNS don't use ifrit, and Titan is mostly useless outside of soloing content, so they made the "better" choice of balancing the pets. It's not as though they don't plan on giving us more. But if their plan is to give us a bunch of egis, but we all only use one, I'd rather they just stayed with the 3 we currently have.

Couldn't agree more. Though Ifrit is just as useful as Garuda now after the re balancing. His Radiant Shield now affects all party members, meaning he actually has a useful party support skill now, and since people have been asking for the Egi to have more support/utility this is quite fabulous. So the Egi themselves did actually get some useful updates for HW. Not only that but food also now effects Egi, allowing us to buff them up even more. The Egi are more balanced and useful now then they have ever been, and we got Deathflare on top of all that.

But alas the SMN player base (not all) is infected with far too many entitled/superficial people, who are too focused on nitpicking trivial things. Instead of actually focusing on the good things SMN has received (Egi balancing/changes, Egi glamour, New burst DPS rotation, Tri Disaster, Painflare, Dreadwyrm, Deathflare, LB3 Teraflare) That there is quite a long list of great additions to SMN.

[Nalfein]

and Yoshi-P doesn't want to just copy that game.

You have strictly no idea about what he wants or not, try not to speak in other's name especially when you don't speak their language....
then tell me why you can see mobs that come from FFXI >_>? Here the point should not be about copy but to use once more what succeed or maybe try to improve it.

[HexWeaver]

They've overhauled SMN enough and people still aren't happy.. short of scrapping the job and making it the same boring job from 11 Square Enix at this point are probably like..

[Azuta]

@Silentwindr
Yes but the solo games did one thing right. Is that they made the focus of the job its summons. With this summoner the focus isn't on the summons no, no one cares about ifrit egi, titan egi or garuda egi, other then keeping there dps in a good place.

Pain Flare, Deathflare, Fester, Tri-Disaster, Bane, Shadow Flare. All the most visually impressive skills? Its not your summons doing it nope. Its you the summoner doing them and you the summoner that is the spotlight. Your summons aren't visually anything special and there attacks are equally not visual impressive other then enkindle.

Trance isn't even summoning and again another tool to make the summoner themselves the impressive one. While leaving the summons looking unimpressive and pathetic in comparison. You can keep the egi the way they are and still make the attacks they do and the actions they preform impressive and worthy of praise.

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Ninjas have impressive stylish ninjutsu, monks punch and kick with authenticity and feeling, Black Mage's and White Mages have impressive spells worthy of their solo game counter parts. Dragoons jump to the sky and come down with a satisfying crash and impact. All these jobs main actions are clear and very well represented and impressive in visuals and execution.

Its my favorite job in the entire series and the very job that made me fall in love with the franchise among other things. A working job it is, however a final fantasy summoner it is not. A world of warcraft warlock yes ^^ However a Final Fantasy Summoner no...