Competative dps for BRD and MCH

[Leonus]

What about Summoner and Black Mage? What is your excuse for their existence and DPS? Back in 2.0 we also almost exclusively used 2 PLD parties, the whole debuff to the LB was in response to job stacking. Not to mention fight design has changed to not just be a bunch of up close mob AoE's but RAIDWIDE mechanics that everyone deals with, not just melee. If people are stacking ranged because a fight is so punishing to melee, that is a fight design issue, not a job one.

Now i'm confused, so if they designed the fights to be less punishing to melee. People would complain. Now that everyone has to deal with mechanics, people complain. There is no pleasing this community as a whole. People will flock to ranged because it is generally the EASIER thing to do. People generally do what is easier that allows them to achieve the same results or better. That's what happened in 2.0 with brd.

Give everyone equal damage, give melee rdps AoE abilities and the ability to punch/peirce/slash a mob from the distance of casting a spell or firing an arrow or bullet (Wouldn't need gap closers at this point). Give all the Rdps the single target dps of a melee. All problems are solved. No one can complain, only way to please people (and then people would still complain).

Check any DPS content that was close to release (Turn 8 is an example) where raiding DPS is an absolute necessity, in an effort to push these DPS checks people would use multiple monks because of lack of gear (was only obtainable by doing the dungeon with weekly lockouts).

The groups i saw generally only stacked two monks. IF it makes you feel any better, stacking two monks takes a spot away from all other dps. Not just ranged, this includes drgs and nins.

Do a search for Turn X world first, count the monks, because they're typically stacking at least 2.

Exactly this. Usually people would bring BRDs to those progression parties, (the only class almost 100% garunteed a spot in ANY party during ARR) kinda hard to survive without songs for TP/MP during progression content. The brds also usually focused on the mechanics moreso to ALLOW the melee dps (the mnks really) to push. There was almost always 2 rdps in those parties, usually one spot was ALWAYS a bard, the other was blm/smn.

It's whatever at this point. Let Rdps match melee dps, then it will be the mdps' turn to complain and ask for buffs. Never ending cycle.