Easiest dps right now

[Syzygian]

U can't argue game mechanics since everyone have to deal with that. It can be said the same thing about ninja. Boss jump or mob dies before getting ur AC off well there goes ur huton, ohh great mudra lag. All the things u mention about ur play time with drg basickly sums it to one game mechanics. Everyone has to deal with with it not just drg. And no my drg is only 50 heack my main which is mnk is only 53. And that sure has change the most for PB opening. Drg same opening except u have more things to weave in between. Having more button to to press does not equal hard.

What people are trying to explain is that Huton and GL have several seconds of leeway to handle mechanics, BotD has *1*, 2 if you're packing a GCD that is less than 2.40 seconds. Neither MNK or NIN has to expend the duration of their buff intelligently to maximize DPS, they just have to keep it up. Barring that yeah, lots of buttons to push, positionals, procs, dealing with mechanics, yes, all jobs have that. But none of them have 600 potency riding on their ability to properly sacrifice uptime of their buffs. That is unique to DRG and in the extremely dodge-heavy/mechanic-heavy HW content it is extremely difficult.

[FreyrPrime]

What people are trying to explain is that Huton and GL have several seconds of leeway to handle mechanics, BotD has *1*, 2 if you're packing a GCD that is less than 2.40 seconds. Neither MNK or NIN has to expend the duration of their buff intelligently to maximize DPS, they just have to keep it up. Barring that yeah, lots of buttons to push, positionals, procs, dealing with mechanics, yes, all jobs have that. But none of them have 600 potency riding on their ability to properly sacrifice uptime of their buffs. That is unique to DRG and in the extremely dodge-heavy/mechanic-heavy HW content it is extremely difficult.

This.

Described very elegantly I might add, but this 100%.

[Humorless]

What people are trying to explain is that Huton and GL have several seconds of leeway to handle mechanics, BotD has *1*, 2 if you're packing a GCD that is less than 2.40 seconds. Neither MNK or NIN has to expend the duration of their buff intelligently to maximize DPS, they just have to keep it up. Barring that yeah, lots of buttons to push, positionals, procs, dealing with mechanics, yes, all jobs have that. But none of them have 600 potency riding on their ability to properly sacrifice uptime of their buffs. That is unique to DRG and in the extremely dodge-heavy/mechanic-heavy HW content it is extremely difficult.

Clearly just a DRG trying to make his job sound difficult, but I suggest you try playing the new monk before talking. GL3 upkeep is significantly more difficult due to the instant application and we don't even get to relax during downtime. With a low GCD and constant positionals MNK is still a far more active job.

[FreyrPrime]

Clearly just a DRG trying to make his job sound difficult, but I suggest you try playing the new monk before talking. GL3 upkeep is significantly more difficult due to the instant application and we don't even get to relax during downtime. With a low GCD and constant positionals MNK is still a far more active job.

When you Dragon Kick, or Boot Shine, or True Strike, or ANY of your positionals you know WELL in advance where you need to be and can adjust accordingly. In the event that you have to use one of them outside of their requirement you don't lose 190 potency, AND it's not random. You don't finish your combo and then suddenly realize you need to be at the back of the boss WHILE keeping track of BotD to make sure you can Geirskogul.

It's not even comparable. Monks have less buttons to hit, GL3 still only takes 22.5 seconds to apply (BotD has a CD of 60s), and their positionals arent completely neutered when they're forced out of position.

[Humorless]

char limit zzz

Yes, you know where you need to be, but you're still moving constantly. You have 2.5 seconds for your brain to process whether you need to be at the back or flank, and you should be on the edge of flank/rear regardless, not exactly behind, IE it's not difficult.

And BotD has a cooldown of 60s? What are you doing, right clicking it by accident?

I'm not even trying to make monk sound difficult, it's just a lot more intensive with 20+ positionals per minute compared to DRG's 10. But don't even try to pretend DRG is complicated.

[FreyrPrime]

SNIP

I'll be honest. You make valid points, and I appreciate that.

I played Monk extensively in 2.X (Second Coil onward), and I personally don't feel the same kind of pressure from those predictable positionals as I am from Dragoon. Now I can completely attribute that to familiarity, but it just doesn't seem the same, especially when you add Geirskogul to the mix. You need to be averaging 3 Geirskogul per minute or you're not playing efficiently.

What this means is that after your 3rd Wheeling Thrust/Fang and Claw you should have exactly 22 seconds left on BotD, and that's the sweet spot right there. Anything less and you're dropping BotD, and honestly it's not like you even have time to consider it (though you can be watching your BotD timer prior to WT/FnC, anything less than 8 seconds prior to your 4th and you're screwed anyway).

Monk is more active, I'll give you that, but Dragoon requires more planning and awareness.

[Kitria]

I'm not even trying to make monk sound difficult, it's just a lot more intensive with 20+ positionals per minute compared to DRG's 10. But don't even try to pretend DRG is complicated.

And don't try to pretend Monk is complicated. They're both very simple jobs, as are most in this game and there's nothing wrong with that.

What they're saying though is while you have to move, you know well in advance where to move to. Dragoons don't. I used to main Monk before HW and can tell you for a fact it's very straightforward, same as Dragoon was.

And congrats on comparing positionals on a movement based class against one that isn't. Should have just said Ninjas have fewer positionals so they're obviously easier than Monk. Would make the same amount of sense.

[Mcclebby]

Wow.. and other jobs do? MNK is easily as brain dead Flank-Flank-Back, Back-Back-Flank, Flank-Flank-Flank repeat?
NIN had their opener and then just keep up Huton?
Black Mage 4 F1's per Astral phase, fire weave appropriately?
BRD arguably the easiest class in the game.

You speak as if DRG is the only one with new abilities in the game.

Anyway back to topic: Cant really say for now who is easiest or hardest till alex raid arrive. 4-man/dummies to me is never really a good way to know how a job perform.

[QCrimson]

But don't even try to pretend DRG is complicated.

It kinda is though... Especially when you have fights like Ravana Ex.

[Ogrumz]

It kinda is though... Especially when you have fights like Ravana Ex.

Every level 60 DRG on the server I talk to says it is not hard, and that other DRGs need to learn to sit between the flank and the butt. /shrug