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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
    Wow its so obvious that....man they don't want you to dps. End of Story. They said that in several Interviews that they design Raids without Healer DPS. So stop doing something your not supposed to do and heal. If you want to DPS, play one.

    And don't draw this "but a good player will dps because he helps the raid with that" card on me. Yoshi said they don't want you to DPS in Heavensward in some Interviews too and thats why they lowered the Acc on Purpose. So whatever YOU want it's designed that way.
    So tell me why they added Assize that healer potency is really low.. Aero III, Stone III and DPS Skills on SCH too? I dont think they added just to do 50-60. If Square do something is always for a reason. Adding DPS Skills on Healer means we have to use them propely

    And tell me why statics want that Warriors (a Tank Job) have to do at least 500 DPS (on Final Coil) and now Dark Knights are involved more for DPS than Tanking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naruke View Post
    So tell me why they added Assize that healer potency is really low.. Aero III, Stone III and DPS Skills on SCH too?
    ^ nailed the point.

    You don't want to DPS? Your problem. Your loss, too - because it will take more time to clear the trash/boss. You can keep people alive? Good, what can I say - you can press two or three buttons just like everyone else, I'm happy.

    But the OP asked about accuracy because he wanted to DPS. Because, you know, he got new skills and might want to try them outside of daily hunts or FATEs. So to everyone saying "if I wanted to DPS I'd queue as one", don't come to post in threads like this. If he ends up killing everyone because he wanted his Stone to actually hit the target, THEN and ONLY THEN, he might be reproached. It's called "staying in topic".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    You guys are ridiculous, I swear.

    "It isn't my responsibility", "it isn't my job", "content isn't designed around me DPSing", "DEVs didn't intend me to play in such way".

    lol.
    Your problem is that you take the words "you are not being optimal" as a personal insult to your "playstyle" rather than objective feedback. Optimal doesn't always match with what you like guys (*I don't like DPSing so I only heal but I'm still optimal* -nope it doesn't work that way-).

    But at this point, I feel that you just want to hear what you want to hear:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__Thtao6vc
    Cuz its min/maxing not optimizing. And your insulting everyone who doesnt shares your playstyle, that's really mature. But to catch on you dumb Video its exactly the other Way around.

    Usually having less to Heal and doing nothing is a sign that you have a good Group and the Players know what to do. Using there Defense Cooldowns and Stuff. We all had Fun. Then there came the Elitists (you) and say "You do it completely wrong. You have to DPS when there is nothing to Heal or you are a bad Heal/Player" Then a Minority, the few Progress orientated Players, said "well its not bad to have this extra DPS right? Let's try it." The Healers in the Progress orientated Static CHOOSE to DPS so that they can Progress a bit faster. The others did not and still had Fun.

    And there is still you, the Elitist, who rambles on that everyone who doesn't DPS is a bad Heal.

    Now I wonder who is the "Special Princess" here. The Players who choose a Healer Job because they didn't want to DPS or Tank. The Progress Healers who do it free of their own Choice because it COULD help the Group even when the Developers said that Healer DPS was never intended to matter. Or you...the Elitist.

    Quote Originally Posted by ckc22 View Post
    Then it sounds like you're just as lazy in real life as you are in game. I'm sure you pretend to be the most effective person there too.
    Nope i work my 8hour share like everyone else. But it's not my Job to...let's say take the Trash out. That's the Job of the Cleaning Duty which comes over every Day Evening. Do you want me to take away her Job? I bet she will be grateful for that (and don't say this doesn't matchs 100% i know that too it was just a easy example).

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruke View Post
    So tell me why they added Assize that healer potency is really low.. Aero III, Stone III and DPS Skills on SCH too? I dont think they added just to do 50-60. If Square do something is always for a reason. Adding DPS Skills on Healer means we have to use them propely

    And tell me why statics want that Warriors (a Tank Job) have to do at least 500 DPS (on Final Coil) and now Dark Knights are involved more for DPS than Tanking?
    I think exactly because of 50-60. And Tanks dpsing is a whole other Matter than Heals doing it. There is a big Difference here which would require his own Thread. And wow shunning DRK as a Tank because SE set the bar a bit low so we dont have the NIN Whining Flood again is really narrowminded.

    People react better to Buffs and we the Players have sometimes Ideas the Devs would never come too. As a example someone had the idea to add a magic defense down to Delirium (which is really pointless right now when you are not offtanking). Thats a brilliant idea!

    So before we have all that crying again because they nerfed the 3 new jobs they rather set em lower und buff em here and there to make it even to the other classes. The sheer mass on data and feedback they gather now is much better than the small feedback of closed beta or internal testing.
    Quote Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven View Post
    But the OP asked about accuracy because HE wanted to DPS.
    That's great and all. HE CHOOSE to DPS. Sadly there where some here who came and said "healers have to dps anyway because i say so..." Thats why we strayed offtopic. And then they continued to label everyone else who doesn't plays like them as bad/lazy players. Sorry but i can't sit still letting someone else calling me a bad/lazy player only because i didn't choose to do something which is not required.


    Oh and sorry for the late answers. Posting Limit our Daily Curse....
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    Last edited by Hypie; 06-30-2015 at 02:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
    Cuz its min/maxing not optimizing.
    For all intents and purposes, min/maxing is optimizing.

    Also, while I acknowledge that your RL work analogy wasn't intended to be taken literally, consider this:

    If you couldn't leave work (i.e. complete your duty) until your cleaning lady finished taking out the trash, you'd be right there with her whenever your primary workload became lighter.

    Hence why optimal healers help take out the trash when they can do it while also taking care of their own business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
    I think exactly because of 50-60. And Tanks dpsing is a whole other Matter than Heals doing it. There is a big Difference here which would require his own Thread. And wow shunning DRK as a Tank because SE set the bar a bit low so we dont have the NIN Whining Flood again is really narrowminded.

    People react better to Buffs and we the Players have sometimes Ideas the Devs would never come too. As a example someone had the idea to add a magic defense down to Delirium (which is really pointless right now when you are not offtanking). Thats a brilliant idea!

    So before we have all that crying again because they nerfed the 3 new jobs they rather set em lower und buff em here and there to make it even to the other classes. The sheer mass on data and feedback they gather now is much better than the small feedback of closed beta or internal testing.
    If it really was for 50-60 trust me I could exp with Stone II etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
    That's great and all. HE CHOOSE to DPS. Sadly there where some here who came and said "healers have to dps anyway because i say so..." Thats why we strayed offtopic. And then they continued to label everyone else who doesn't plays like them as bad/lazy players. Sorry but i can't sit still letting someone else calling me a bad/lazy player only because i didn't choose to do something which is not required.
    Last I checked, the topic strayed the very moment someone said "or just don't DPS" - it was literally among the first two-three posts. That's why it bothered me so much that I felt frustrated that one more thread in this subforum turned into the same old fight.
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