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  1. #651
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kowen View Post
    To be brutally honest, I find most of your translations difficult to understand. Your Japanese is, I'm sure, far better than mine, but I still find a lot of odd word choices you've made that could be changed to read better in English. In localization, eloquence is just as important as actually understanding the languages.
    Yep I agree some of the words I use doesn't fit, trying to learn them by seeing how Bay posts the official ones and remembering which words in Japanese got translated in the official ones. Some words I have to look it up on dictionaries and trying to fix it since the dictionary only gives the meaning of that word, when put into sentence it can be said in another word... gets me confusing lol, specially like that book interview translation was pain in the butt... kanji's look so damn alike was reading the kanji's wrong so had to use IME pad to write it on screen then look up the definition of that kanji lol.

    One part I'm suffering also, grew up in Japan going through Japanese school and before I finish learning all the kanji's parents decided to move to Hawaii then I'm thrown in American school when I don't know 80% of English lol (you learn some in Japan, more in High School but didn't go that far when living in Japan)

    I'll keep trying to get better hope you can guess the general idea of what I'm trying to explain till my translation improves
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    Last edited by Reinheart; 08-24-2011 at 07:03 AM.

  2. #652
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    Kowen Blueblood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    I'll keep trying to get better hope you can guess the general idea of what I'm trying to explain till my translation improves
    Of course, I really appreciate the effort, I just meant a bit of friendly criticism. You shouldn't feel any obligations anyway, since you aren't being paid to do this.

    Also congrats on the new baby! I just got to back-reading through those pages now.
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  3. #653
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    Aedida Aldricht
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    Reinheart's translations have been getting much much better. I have no complaint, as a translation from Japanese to English is not fun at all. I took the language 4 years in high school, and the combination of grammar + Kanji is killer. I appreciate all his efforts. Especially since many users, and perhaps Yoshida as well, are likely not using 'text book' language.

    The translations might be raw, but they do not often add or subtract from the meaning of the original post/letter.

    So for the Red colour, do they mean the tag on the armour piece itself (Iron Haub) or do they mean the colour of the item itself?
    Frankly I'm not a huge fan of the idea of colour coded items telling us what it's good for. ): But everything else is A++

    Edit: Ah I didn't see I missed one post, the main one. Thankfully not all parts are being destroyed! Rejoice!
    And now Red Colourant makes me think of the Materia system. But since they haven't called it Materia, or even mentioned naming in process, red colourant might be a type of materia, or a new material all together to add certain stats in this case Red meaning adding stats to Defense, or parrying.

    I don't mind this, it sounds really interesting. In which case, I hope that they do it in the way that stars are done, instead of in the way of red text. Red stars next to the stats they've impressed the colour upon.
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    Last edited by Oscillate_Wildly; 08-24-2011 at 08:29 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
    Yeah that ^
    Cool signature, btw!
    Not you, Oscillate_Wildly.
    Not you.

  4. #654
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    Catapult's Avatar
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    Thal Icebound
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    Knowing a language is one thing. Being able to translate it is another. Being able to localize it is yet another thing again.

    Figures of speech. Colloquialisms. These things are what are detested most by localizers - half the time because the original text is wrong and the other half of the time because the concept does not exist in the second language. Thus finding the meaning and conveying this using figures of speech in the second language while maintaining the meaning and intent can be quite the task.

    And that's only getting into my appreciation for German/English. Japanese is a whole other ball-game.

    The fact that Reinheart can do this is much is in and of itself incredible. Now imagine what Fernhawles and Eemeefu have to do...
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  5. #655
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    These are really bad news i think. Its not only me but many people that wasted so much time in HQ crafting. Get abilities studing the elements for crafting and so on. Now with those changes HQ crafting is gonna be childish. I dont even know what to say im really dissapointed here. i would prefer some tips from SE to HQ crafting but as its above in this post HQ is gonna be piece of cake. You are telling me that i can HQ now with rapid if i have HQ mats. i wont even have to touch up? And what is gonna happen to my +3 gear that it took me months to make? And im proud that i made it on my own. And what about economy? A crab bow+3 how much is it 12m? after 1.20 how much its going to be 400k? I know my post is not no gonna change anything but i had to say what was in me. My opinion is just if SE wants to change crafting lower the number of mats on High Rank crafts or give some tips on HQ cause people think its random. Thats all
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  6. #656
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    Quote Originally Posted by TenshiGirisha View Post
    These are really bad news i think. Its not only me but many people that wasted so much time in HQ crafting. Get abilities studing the elements for crafting and so on. Now with those changes HQ crafting is gonna be childish. I dont even know what to say im really dissapointed here. i would prefer some tips from SE to HQ crafting but as its above in this post HQ is gonna be piece of cake. You are telling me that i can HQ now with rapid if i have HQ mats. i wont even have to touch up? And what is gonna happen to my +3 gear that it took me months to make? And im proud that i made it on my own. And what about economy? A crab bow+3 how much is it 12m? after 1.20 how much its going to be 400k? I know my post is not no gonna change anything but i had to say what was in me. My opinion is just if SE wants to change crafting lower the number of mats on High Rank crafts or give some tips on HQ cause people think its random. Thats all
    Well to me it's quite the opposite. Yes people spent time in trying to HQ, good for them. But to be fair everyone playing now must expect drastic changes so they should not complain when drastic changes were asked.

    Also, all the better if it drops the prices of some HQ gears. Can you imagine the pain new players will have trying to get on par with other players if they can't afford anything as opposed to players who have been there for a year and gather lolgils like water?
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  7. #657
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    To me it sounds like HQ1 is easy to get but the chance @ Hq 2 and 3 is gonna be harder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra View Post
    Well to me it's quite the opposite. Yes people spent time in trying to HQ, good for them. But to be fair everyone playing now must expect drastic changes so they should not complain when drastic changes were asked.

    Also, all the better if it drops the prices of some HQ gears. Can you imagine the pain new players will have trying to get on par with other players if they can't afford anything as opposed to players who have been there for a year and gather lolgils like water?
    Then what you are saying is that there is gonna be no difference between the players. Let me put it this way. there are NQ players and there are +1,+2,+3 players. Now there gonna be all HQ. Thats what i dont like. Anyway im gonna sell all my +3 gear and keep anything +2. cause i think +3 is gonna be worthless in 2 months
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    Last edited by TenshiGirisha; 08-24-2011 at 09:22 PM.

  9. #659
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    Quote Originally Posted by TenshiGirisha View Post
    These are really bad news i think. Its not only me but many people that wasted so much time in HQ crafting. Get abilities studing the elements for crafting and so on. Now with those changes HQ crafting is gonna be childish. I dont even know what to say im really dissapointed here. i would prefer some tips from SE to HQ crafting but as its above in this post HQ is gonna be piece of cake. You are telling me that i can HQ now with rapid if i have HQ mats. i wont even have to touch up? And what is gonna happen to my +3 gear that it took me months to make? And im proud that i made it on my own. And what about economy? A crab bow+3 how much is it 12m? after 1.20 how much its going to be 400k? I know my post is not no gonna change anything but i had to say what was in me. My opinion is just if SE wants to change crafting lower the number of mats on High Rank crafts or give some tips on HQ cause people think its random. Thats all
    12mil for a bow: thank goodness this patch is coming! No one should have to pay 12mil for a mid tier weapon (in the grand scheme 50 is the current cap only until it's increased in 1-2 years). If you ask me the economy is flooded with crafters who take a common practice and think too highly of themselves thus leading to beyond ridiculous item prices.

    You're acting liking you crafted a Sha'ir Mantel or something or you crafted a kraken club!

    Thank you SE for fixing the economy.
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  10. #660
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    Quote Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee View Post
    12mil for a bow: thank goodness this patch is coming! No one should have to pay 12mil for a mid tier weapon (in the grand scheme 50 is the current cap only until it's increased in 1-2 years). If you ask me the economy is flooded with crafters who take a common practice and think too highly of themselves thus leading to beyond ridiculous item prices.

    You're acting liking you crafted a Sha'ir Mantel or something or you crafted a kraken club!

    Thank you SE for fixing the economy.
    Completely agree with this. I've always thought the multi-tiered HQ system as currently implemented caused problems. Inventory is an obvious issue. The second being more subjective but still frustrating in my mind - players going crazy trying to get HQ+3 items that are ultimately just trivial pieces of gear synthed through extremely commonplace materials (see: Iron Cuirass, etc.). I'm a firm believer that having players trying to maximize their characters through incredibly mindless and unpredictable HQing systems is bad precedent. Now, players should be more predictably rewarded for collecting HQ materials. And, as an example, if you kill Uraeus for a tricorne, you won't have to do it ad nauseum to produce that +2 or +3 you were after.

    Like many have mentioned, if people didn't see changes like this coming, they weren't playing the same game I was playing (or weren't critically assessing the flaws). I'm very excited for this change.
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