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  1. #31
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    Trespar's Avatar
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    Miakis Lunefalena
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    Cerberus
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Instead of removing the faerie, it should instead let the faerie shine.

    Make it like Enkindle.
    Each Faerie gets its unique ultimate, and will restore 3 stacks of Aetherflow.

    I just can't believe that they thought that removing the faerie for 30 seconds is a good idea. What's worse is that they didn't even put a mechanic in play to remove the burden of resummoning it. 6 seconds and 1.7k MP is a lot.

    Or 1.7k MP and swiftcast, which is arguably even worse.

    Just get rid of it. It sucks, and it really feels like it goes against the entire lore of the Scholar.To me it always seemed like Scholars and their Faeries were proper friends, and sucking up your faerie for power is not a friendly thing to do.
    You can argue it's the faerie's love and trust that allows you to perform the deed, but honestly, I wouldn't even want that kind of power if it meant hurting my friend.

    I'm just saying.


    I'm admit that the spell saved my bacon twice, but that was only because my tanks in both cases were fucking morons, and we honestly deserved to wipe because of what they did. I don't want a spell that is only good for making up for having a bad tank.
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  2. #32
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    Gideon Highmourn
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    Hyperion
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    Summoner Lv 74
    I still have only used this skill a handful of times since getting it about 5 days ago. It just doesn't seem worth it; especially now that tanks have caught up in gear, I don't ever find a need for it at level 60.

    +20% healing is something we already have with Eos.

    The 3 Aetherflow stacks are nice, but certainly not detrimental to have if you've properly managed them.

    Bath of these, combined, are not worth losing the faerie for 20s.

    Something needs to change with this skill. It's really not situational or "emergency"; it's just useless (much like Lightspeed).

    Overall, Scholar has gotten some pretty awesome abilities in HW; Dissipation is not one of them.
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  3. #33
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    Crimson Bloodrose
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    Phantom
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SeraphimXI View Post
    When everything has gone to hell and you need to survive that last 5% and have no MP and are out of aetherflows, that is the situation Dissipation is for.

    It is supposed to have a huge penalty for sustained healing, because that isn't when the ability is supposed to be used.
    You sacrifice the fairy, which is 30% of your healing plus a few buffs to gain a raw 20% healing potency (only for succors, adloquiums and physicks because indomitability and lustrate are unaffected by that 20%). "But everything went to hell", so everything went to hell yet you are happily sitting with your indomitability on CD and thus need more stacks of aetherflow to cast it? But hey, let's assume you've used indomitability and everything still went to hell, kill your fairy for 3 lustrates that aren't even affected by the 20% bugged dissipation buff? Duh........ (btw say good bye to Rouse and if we are talking about selene, say good bye to fey caress and fey wind too and if it's eos, say good bye to fey illumination, fey covenant and whispering dawn).Seems like a very poor panic button to me. Say you are out of mana, boss is at 10%, what does it mean "everything went to hell"? Could you please clarify? Because I can't really think of a single situation where this spell could actually help you. However, I can think of literally a million situations where you can literally wipe your party because of this spell. "Dissipation", someone steps on a mine on the curator, everybody paralyzed, *selene corpse facepalms*.

    A different story is that you use it, have the wrong notion that it helped (when it didn't) because you didn't wipe. I can too cast dissipation and clear bosses just fine, but that doesn't mean it was of any use.
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  4. #34
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    Tetsu Taru
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SeraphimXI View Post

    The fairy sacrifice is the trade-off. If you use it at a bad time you are hosing yourself, however at other times you can be the hero (which only you will know because nobody else even watches the hp bars). The fact that it isn't an overpowered no-brainer use it on CD ability is exactly what they were looking for, and they nailed it.
    Yeah. But it's a bad trade off that isn't worth the cost. I've literally never touched it except to see what it looks like - and it's even graphically underwhelming.
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  5. #35
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    Tetsu Taru
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SeraphimXI View Post
    You are fundamentally misunderstanding the point of Dissipation. Dissipation is not supposed to be used in 99% of the fights you encounter. Dissipation is basically the SCH's hail-mary/onside kick at the end of an (american) football game. It is the bright red button on your control panel with a glass box over it that says "DO NOT PUSH".

    When everything has gone to hell and you need to survive that last 5% and have no MP and are out of aetherflows, that is the situation Dissipation is for.

    It is supposed to have a huge penalty for sustained healing, because that isn't when the ability is supposed to be used.
    Reactive healing is bad healing. Basically all you're saying is that the ability will be useless for any good group. That's not exactly comforting.
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  6. #36
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    Sera Cela
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    You sacrifice the fairy, which is 30% of your healing plus a few buffs to gain a raw 20% healing potency
    Cutting it there because people keep running into this trap. Your fairy is 30% of healing in normal situations. Your fairies can't suddenly save people from getting KO'ed when you are in a huge healing-hole and have no time to dig out of it slowly. Having 6 lustrates (even if they don't heal as much as you want) that you can spam can.

    Basically this whole thread is people mad that our level 60 ability isn't a fundamental change to our healing performance like lustrate was at 60. However the devs did say that they were not giving us any major changes, just more tools to add to our toolbox.
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    Last edited by SeraphimXI; 06-27-2015 at 11:39 PM.

  7. #37
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    Sera Cela
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ckc22 View Post
    Reactive healing is bad healing. Basically all you're saying is that the ability will be useless for any good group. That's not exactly comforting.
    Yes this spell won't really be useful if you are running in a full FC group. If you are dealing with predictable damage then you won't ever touch it. The only situation I can think of that might actually use it in situations where people are executing 100% is setting for a boss 2hr. Eos buffs -> Dissipate -> Adlo -> Deployment then bubble.
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  8. #38
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SeraphimXI View Post
    Yes this spell won't really be useful if you are running in a full FC group. If you are dealing with predictable damage then you won't ever touch it. The only situation I can think of that might actually use it in situations where people are executing 100% is setting for a boss 2hr. Eos buffs -> Dissipate -> Adlo -> Deployment then bubble.
    All significant damage is predictable. Even damage that is conditional (i.e. someone screwed up) can at least be anticipated/prepared for. You don't need an FC group in order to avoid having an utterly disastrous run.
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  9. #39
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    Gideon Highmourn
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraphimXI View Post
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    I've thought about this, and I've tried it on some occasions in Bismark EX. Maybe my timing isn't quite right, but if I try to do all this complicated combo'ing into Deployment, it's usually too late, or I end up missing bubble. That's several GCDs of setting-up a stronger Deployment with Dissipate.

    Fey Illumination/Rouse -> Whispering Wind -> Dissipate -> Adoloquium (wait) -> Deployment -> Sacred Soil

    Maybe I just need to work on the timing, but so far, it's taking too long to set up everything properly this way in order to use Dissipate in this manner. Deployment Tactics is a new mechanic altogether that takes slightly longer than Succor use to take to setup, at least, in my experience it has been. Adding Dissipation to that process makes it even longer.

    Again, maybe I'm just not timing it right, and need to start the process sooner, but so far, I haven't had much success with what you described.
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  10. #40
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    Justin Tymes
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 52
    9 Energy Drain opening. Energy Drain DPS check push. Late-game push. That's about it, unless you're a god-tier healer and don't care about termporarily losing your pet for energy drains.
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