Quote Originally Posted by Ceodore View Post
You're telling me that you DON'T use these skills in such a way then? It isn't about just having good healers. I don't care what tank you are. If your healers suck, then you're not going to live. So what is the point you are trying to make? That Paladins and Warriors don't need good healers to live? That's idiocy.
Warriors and Paladins don't need healers to pre-shield them in Odin, no. Their ability set is strong enough as is to handle healers that are just reacting to damage instead of trying to pre-heal/shield for it.

So when you take the already strong ability set of WAR & PLD and then take it in to high level raids with good healers that will coordinate for that sort of thing, then those jobs only get stronger. If the DRK requires good healers to survive on PUG level content like Odin, how are they gonna fare when you move into high level raids where everything hits a lot harder?

It looks a bit like 2.0 WAR vs. PLD. Sure WAR could do all the content that was available if your gear was top of the line and you had really good healers and you worked well together to handle the lack of WAR's innate damage mitigation. Or you could take a PLD and do it much easier. It wasn't balanced and it got fixed.