Machinist needs serious attention

[Sylve]

But you said it's a DPS increase without all that stuff...

Because for me, in all my experiences so far, it HAS been a buff.
I kill things far slower without it than i do with it.
However, I'm not 60, i do not have ALL the skills and i do not run a parser.

When stuff dies quicker, i take that as my DPS going up, not down. Like i said, 1 single parse is NOT enough to draw a full and proper conclusion. Nor is 3 minutes a proper test time.
When a test is flawed, the results will also be flawed.
We also do not have any comparisons to other Jobs, all we have is what he himself produced.
I'd like to see multiple parses with/without Gauss Barrel while also recording equally geared DPS jobs so that we can see whether a Machinist is being outclassed in every way, or if its the Gauss Barrel alone needing changes.

People seem to be taking my posts as a desire to not see changes to Machinist, and i'd like to clarify that if the numbers are truly too low then of course they should fix that. What i take issue with is people claiming something is broken based off a single test of limited duration.
We've only had the Job for a few days. Its a little too early to be trying to draw final conclusions with such a limited data set.

[Wigett]

I tend to agree with most of what the OP stated. I think they need to review this some more. im still in the early phase of this new job, but from what I can see early and what some friends tell me later, its still "rusty"

[Jandor]

At the moment Machinist seems to offer less damage and less utility (no damage boost for other jobs), so I can't see this happening.

Hypercharged turrets add a 5% physical/magical damage resistance debuff to attacks depending on the turret, but no, on paper at least it doesn't look as good as Bards damage boost.

We've only had the Job for a few days. Its a little too early to be trying to draw final conclusions with such a limited data set.

Got to start moaning ASAP if we want buffs by 3.1 .

[IfritReborn]

I regret leveling MCH using MSQ instead of Warrior. Because atm they're the better DPS, and they're TANKS!

[Yukiko]

You sure that you are not talking about how SMN was before 3.0?

[LittleArrow]

I regret leveling MCH using MSQ instead of Warrior. Because atm they're the better DPS, and they're TANKS!

Yeah, the moment I knew something was off was when I was catching up my husband in a quest that I had just done on his DRK. He killed the mobs in about 3 hits and it took me like 5 or more............ so sad lol

You sure that you are not talking about how SMN was before 3.0?

Yeah, seems like MCH is the new WAR / SMN / BRD. Unfortunately for this class though, I don't see any sort of focus in it yet. I truly hope they're keeping an eye on this and realizing that even if we're not playing the class optimally, maybe they should make it a bit more user friendly so we can.

[Themis]

Yeah, seems like MCH is the new WAR / SMN / BRD. Unfortunately for this class though, I don't see any sort of focus in it yet. I truly hope they're keeping an eye on this and realizing that even if we're not playing the class optimally, maybe they should make it a bit more user friendly so we can.

It seems like the burst is pretty decent (only at 51 myself), but once you have no ammo it can really slow down the play. Everything is on cooldown and you are left to just Split Shot a few times and hope for a proc. I don't think a lot has to change, just a little bit of a boost to make it at least comparable to a Bard.

Personally, I think that good play on MCH should do more than good play on a BRD, simply because we have an element of luck involved in that. BRD is far more consistent in output.

I'd also like to see a boost of Split Shot proc to 75%. Just to make it more common to get a Slug Shot proc (it would increase the chance of getting Split > Slug > Chaos to 37.5% instead of the current 25%, but that's only 50% more). Little things like that could improve the feel quite a lot.

A little bit of love, please.

[shinros]

If you think split shot doing 500-800 damage at 55 is good, my AST Malefic in cleric stance does around 500-600 non crit at 54.

Solo.

Your MCH should be doing more with that shot, you're a friggin dps class.

My dark arts soul eater does 800 damage around that level. Plus without 500-600 damage. So yeah something is wrong.

[RiceisNice]

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I'm at lvl 59 and this is definitely not the case for me, in both solo play and dungeons. Things typically die around the same time, if not slower when I use gauss barrel. I have a damage loss on both wildfire and my overall output if i I keep gauss on for a fight beyond using gauss round at the beginning of a pull.

Another thing you should keep in mind that those tests are on a dummy. That's assuming ideal circumstances where you can turret all-day during a fight (which is almost never the case in actual practice), If Gauss was really that practical, it should at least pull ahead by a good amount than without it. If you also scrolled down the reddit topic, there have been multiple parses yielding similar results at 3:40 fights. Longer fights typically lead to lower dps count because numbers typically get inflated by burst.

[Snugglebutt]

I feel that the testing for this class was done at optimal conditions, maybe even a program running it and the numbers were high. We're not a computer program. Even the most seasoned player will make a mistake, not to mention the fact we have to deal with mechanics.

I'm thinking SE prefers to theory craft, spreadsheets and number crunching on paper instead of actual in game practical testing by staff through the multitude of scenarios including hard group composition dungeons, trials and raid situations.