Machinist needs serious attention

[Sylve]

If you think split shot doing 500-800 damage at 55 is good, my AST Malefic in cleric stance does around 500-600 non crit at 54.

Solo.

Your MCH should be doing more with that shot, you're a friggin dps class.

Split Shot is spammable, backed up by an 80 Potency Turret shot virtually every time i fire and procs stronger shots while a 40 potency DoT ticks away... So yeah. 500 ~ 800 damage for the most basic shot in my arsenal is kinda fine.

Gauss barrel being a DPS loss if attached permanently is I believe one of the few things that was thought through with the job, DPS increase if attached when your cooldowns align for some burst or for AoEing, DPS loss if you just chuck it on and leave it on.

How do you figure its a DPS loss?
Thats a flat 20% buff to all damage, while ammo procs make Slug and Clean Shots instant cast. We also get access to a 20 second recast off global 200 potency shot (Gauss Round) to combine with the 100 potency off global Head Graze. Which all benefits from the Gauss Barrel 20% buff.
Meanwhile, the Turret is blasting away happily and all i lost were weak, barely noticeable auto attacks.
Gauss Barrel went on at lvl 52 and literally hasn't come off. My kill times are significantly faster with Gauss Barrel on.

[LittleArrow]

Split Shot is spammable, backed up by an 80 Potency Turret shot virtually every time i fire and procs stronger shots while a 40 potency DoT ticks away... So yeah. 500 ~ 800 damage for the most basic shot in my arsenal is kinda fine.

I hate to pick at your post, but I personally do not find Split Shot "spammable." My GCD atm is 2.46secs. Perhaps that gets better, but from what I heard it doesn't. If it does, please correct me. Anything that takes over 2seconds to wait on to me is not spammable. Also, saying that it procs is misleading. I don't know how well you pay attention to your procs, or maybe you get much better RNG than I do, but it rarely procs without a 90sec cooldown and a 30second cooldown.

I honestly feel like this is where a lot of the confusion is coming in with this class. On paper, sure, Sylve, that sounds great, but when I play it, it ends up running extremely subpar. Again, I could be wrong in how things end up, a lot of the information I'm getting are from other level 60s, but your post just makes it sound way better than what is actually happening in game.

[Sylve]

I hate to pick at your post, but I personally do not find Split Shot "spammable." My GCD atm is 2.46secs. Perhaps that gets better, but from what I heard it doesn't. If it does, please correct me. Anything that takes over 2seconds to wait on to me is not spammable. Also, saying that it procs is misleading. I don't know how well you pay attention to your procs, or maybe you get much better RNG than I do, but it rarely procs with a 90sec cooldown and a 30second cooldown.

I honestly feel like this is where a lot of the confusion is coming in with this class. On paper, sure, Sylve, that sounds great, but when I play it, it ends up running extremely subpar. Again, I could be wrong in how things end up, a lot of the information I'm getting are from other level 60s, but your post just makes it sound way better than what is actually happening in game.

Then by your definition, no skill in the game is spammable since it a 2.5 second baseline recast for literally everything thats on the global recast.

Split Shot is spammable in that it does not require a previous shot to do its full potency.
It is very much an analogue to Bards Heavy Shot. Its the skill you cast a over and over unless something else is proccing, like a Slug/Clean Shot or GR/HG is ready.

I've said this a few times, but it bears repeating until people get it.
An instant weaponskill is deals damage and then waits 2,5 seconds to do anything else
A 1.5 second cast speed weaponskill does damage after 1.5 seconds, however you STILL must wait out the remainder of the global recast that began when you initiated the weaponskill, so you have a full 1 second in which to determine if something procced, check Buff/debuff durations, cooldown readiness and use off global shots.

The only thing you might otherwise do without GB or WM on is Auto Attack. But Autos are weak and a flat 20% damage buff to every shot you use more than makes up for it, especially since the only shots you ever actually have to cast are Hot/Lead/Split. You dont use Slug or Clean without the Ammo, which makes them instant.
So not using Gauss Barrel causes you to deal less damage with your main combo as well as cutting damage done from Lead Shots DoT AND losing Gauss Round.

Yes, RNG absolutely can kick us in the teeth sometimes. I will not and cannot deny that. But with proper use of Reload timings and damage buffs, you can limit the impact of not getting your procs.
Maybe we'll get some buffs, i wont complain if we do, but i am sick of people making threads about the casts are somehow destroying our DPS.
Its a Job that rewards playing well and is very noticeable when you are not.

PS: Quick Reload is 30 seconds and Reload is 60. Theres 30 seconds of downtime after using a Reload before its ready again, Provided you're using the time between shots on off globals and activating damage buffs.

Can't auto attack, and if you strafe and keep yourself facing the boss as much as possible auto attacks tend to add up to a little over 20%. Same issue with WM on Brd.

If you're in a situation where you simply cannot get the opportunity to stand still for a moment, Then dropping the WM/GB until you re-position properly is probably what the devs intended. Then again, For MCH, if you know such a phase is coming, you can mitigate slightly by using Rapid Fire to make Split Shot instant so you can pop a couple of those off while moving.

[Krylo]

The only thing you might otherwise do without GB or WM on is Auto Attack. But Autos are weak and a flat 20% damage buff to every shot you use more than makes up for it

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...nly_gb_opener/

Or, more concisely:

1st Parse was done using solely GB and never turning it off.

http://imgur.com/gallery/8RusITo/new

2nd Parse and the rotation which I use for dungeons was done with a GB opener but then disabled after the 1st Clean Shot. I only ever went back to GB was when Rapid Fire was up and it was use to burst into a Wildfire then toggle back off after the duration.

http://imgur.com/eyP814t

Note the second does about 10% more DPS than the first.

[LittleArrow]

-SNIP-.

Thanks for the response. Unfortunately for me I guess, I've read way too much evidence in reddit that proves that this Job's DPS is far too low and cast times do affect it. Not to mention I see it in game and I know my skill as a player is generally high (I know, that's my opinion and you can't take that too far). If you feel that my 'thread' is just about the casts, then I'm sorry for that, because it certainly isn't. That's just one hang up I have about this job among many other.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on this one. I apologize for getting my cooldown timers wrong, it's been a long day lol. I also apologize for not articulating my argument as well as many others have before me, but tbh my brain is going a mile a minute on way too many issues and it's hard for me to focus on just one. I'm sure they have a name for that XD

[Krylo]

How do you figure its a DPS loss?
Thats a flat 20% buff to all damage

Can't auto attack, and if you strafe and keep yourself facing the boss as much as possible auto attacks tend to add up to a little over 20%. Same issue with WM on Brd. I'd suggest poking around the FFXIV reddit. Lots more theory crafting there than here.

Edit: There's a thread on their first page right now about this, actually http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...nly_gb_opener/

[Jandor]

How do you figure its a DPS loss?
Thats a flat 20% buff to all damage, while ammo procs make Slug and Clean Shots instant cast. We also get access to a 20 second recast off global 200 potency shot (Gauss Round) to combine with the 100 potency off global Head Graze. Which all benefits from the Gauss Barrel 20% buff.
Meanwhile, the Turret is blasting away happily and all i lost were weak, barely noticeable auto attacks.
Gauss Barrel went on at lvl 52 and literally hasn't come off. My kill times are significantly faster with Gauss Barrel on.

Auto-attacks make up a very significant chunk of damage.

I've seen it mentioned quite a lot in various place, a quick search turns up this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=469259023

[Vinestra]

and all i lost were weak, barely noticeable auto attacks.

Simple its a damage downgrade for 2 reasons:
1 WHEN you have to move and its on you cant cast unless you use a certain skill (ALSO no sprint dodging like casters.)
2 THAT little weak auto attacks account for 20% to 25% of your damage.

[Velhart]

Simple its a damage downgrade for 2 reasons:
1 WHEN you have to move and its on you cant cast unless you use a certain skill (ALSO no sprint dodging like casters.)
2 THAT little weak auto attacks account for 20% to 25% of your damage.

This. Not sure why people think just because the damage looks small they think it is insignificant damage. Things add up like auto-attack and turrets. It is pretty amazing how SE did not properly test this on neither BRD or MCH. Or maybe it was their intent for neither stances to be used full time. I wish they come out soon and explain the deal with these two jobs. Like I said in a previous post, I cannot believe SE let this go through without proper testing. How can you not know that something like Wanderer's Minstrel does less damage than auto-attack. It is one of the worst oversights I have ever seen.

[shinros]

If you think split shot doing 500-800 damage at 55 is good, my AST Malefic in cleric stance does around 500-600 non crit at 54.

Solo.

Your MCH should be doing more with that shot, you're a friggin dps class.

My dark arts soul eater does 800 damage around that level. Plus without 500-600 damage. So yeah something is wrong.