Defensive ability, WAR VS DRK

[Tila]

I agree, Warrior is really powerful and a lot of DRK abilities seem clunky. This is probably because they are a new class. I expect several buffs to DRK actually.

I don't expect them to nerf warrior though. They have a powerful kit.

Warrior is fine, they're a great OT while PLD is still the best MT.

The problem is that DRK has no place because PLD was pretty much designed to be a MT and WAR was pretty much designed to be a OT. They do these two rolls so well that there is no place for DRK to squeeze in. At most they can be a halfway point, but when it comes to progression, you'll always want that brave little turtle PLD up till you outgear it, then you'll want the warriors superior DPS.

[Reynhart]

You're not taking in the raw 10% reduction in damage for Storm's Path that does the healing and mitigation. You're not taking in the fact that War berserk and maim increase self healing from all their abilities.

And you try to convince me that you can heal more than a 1200 potency spell that can be boosted by 30% with, at best, a 300 potency skill, even with 80% more damage...
And forgetting that all your healing skills need at least 3 GCD to pop...time during the PLD can cast Clemency several times.

It's becoming really funny for all WAR lovers to claim they can deal faaar more damage than others tanks, and heal faaaar more and take hits faaaar easily.
Live in your dream, buddy, and cringe while everyone will still prefer PLD as a main tank.

[Kaedan]

Hi all,

So it feels like that in a raid environment (from what we know) there are reservations on DRKs mainly due to tank busters. I could stick it out with DRK as I like the style, but I already played WAR when it was broken. I remember how it was difficult to find a group for Titan (although I did get my Bravura back then) because nobody wanted you to tank it, and they wanted a DPS in your place. And now it got fixed and I am once again putting myself in a situation where I am playing the underdog. I don't think I want to do that again...

So I'll leave the DRK for now. Shame, I really like the style. I prefer the AOE to that of the WAR as well.

It is a shame, since there's no real reason for you to drop it. Most of the people in this thread claiming DRK will suck for end-game content either don't do the math, or do the math badly. They're going off of pure gut feeling.

DRK will be fine for raid content.

[Xariann]

It is a shame, since there's no real reason for you to drop it. Most of the people in this thread claiming DRK will suck for end-game content either don't do the math, or do the math badly. They're going off of pure gut feeling.

DRK will be fine for raid content.

Funny you should mention that, I didn't get many level 60s (and even then we don't really have any significant raid content) come to this thread yet. I have a friend who keeps telling me, "You like it, you wouldn't be posting about it on the forums if you didn't. You know you should play it."

[Tila]

It is a shame, since there's no real reason for you to drop it. Most of the people in this thread claiming DRK will suck for end-game content either don't do the math, or do the math badly. They're going off of pure gut feeling.

DRK will be fine for raid content.

It could also be that they bring nothing to the table and are outshined in e every category by WAR, except magic mitigation, which 1. Isnt as useful as it seems and 2. They arent that much better at it. They just need buffs and tweaking at the moment. Not saying WAR is OP mind you, just DRK is more comparable to WAR than PLD. DRK cant do anything better than PLD but dps and magic mitigate. And they arent that far ahead in DPS.

[Tanthalus]

Remember that it's a lot easier to speak in defence of war or pld tanks since theyve been out 2 years now (4 if you count version 1.0)
And drk has been out what...5 days? With no actual raid content to speak of this isn't too factual at the moment and should all be taken in stride. I haven't taken my pld or war past 50 yet but I can definitely say that drk has a place in tanking that's on par with what's out there. But like all classes it needs to be understood to be used properly.

[Reynhart]

As a DRK, I really struggles to solo tank Odin whereas PLD and WAR can do it just fine.

[Giantbane]

Remember that it's a lot easier to speak in defence of war or pld tanks since theyve been out 2 years now (4 if you count version 1.0)
And drk has been out what...5 days? With no actual raid content to speak of this isn't too factual at the moment and should all be taken in stride. I haven't taken my pld or war past 50 yet but I can definitely say that drk has a place in tanking that's on par with what's out there. But like all classes it needs to be understood to be used properly.

What's to understand? People have done raids for 2 years, so they have an idea what sorts of abilities work (flat damage reduction), which are unreliable (parry), which often don't work at all (flash, evasion), and which have scaling issues (self heals). Then you can look at the DRK ability set and start coming to informed conclusions.

DRK has sufficient tools to handle magical damage. There is a valid concern whether DRK has enough cooldowns to handle heavy physical damage in situations where blind and evasion don't work. As most of the raids up to this point have had physical tank busters this is cause for concern. The fact that they also don't bring much to the table as an off tank is also cause for concern.

[Kaedan]

It could also be that they bring nothing to the table and are outshined in e every category by WAR, except magic mitigation, which 1. Isnt as useful as it seems and 2. They arent that much better at it. They just need buffs and tweaking at the moment. Not saying WAR is OP mind you, just DRK is more comparable to WAR than PLD. DRK cant do anything better than PLD but dps and magic mitigate. And they arent that far ahead in DPS.

How does a WAR outshine a DRK in defense? In offense as an OT, sure. As a MT, WAR doesn't really have anything over DRK. PLD is still going to be the "safest" MT.

I just MT'd Ravana and there were no issues dealing with the heavy hits. I had plenty of CDs to handle them. In fact, I swapped MT with the PLD after the first failure. Succeeded the second time. Sure, it's not raids, but if a WAR can MT a raid, a DRK can do so just as well or better. As far as OT, WAR is probably a little better than DRK, but not by much.

As I said, most of the negative-Nancy replies are coming from gut reactions, and for some reason most of it is coming from WARs. I don't know if they feel threatened or what...

[Tanthalus]

What\\\\'s to understand? People have done raids for 2 years, so they have an idea what sorts of abilities work. Then you can look at the DRK ability set and start coming to informed conclusions.

DRK has sufficient tools to handle magical damage. The fact that they also don\\\\'t bring much to the table as an off tank is also cause for concern.

Actually from a psychological standpoint it has no bearing because your basing what has been with what is yet to be. People need reassurance and this is the same spin of the wheel that happened when 2.0 launched. DRK is gonna be a great tank and those that just play it out for the first month are going to be the ones to prove it.
Concerning yourself that a tank role won\\\\'t be able to tank new content it was designed alongside is pretty asinine don\\\\'t you think?
I won't even touch Cd sufficience.