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    Tetsu Taru
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    Dissipate overpowered?

    Isn't this ability that they said they had to tone back because it was so overpowered?

    Um.... can someone help explain to me how this is at all the case?

    From what I can see it's at best an "ohshit!" button if you're out of aether and you need it now. So badly that you're willing to give up the considerable healing that comes from your fairy.

    Especially since the abilities you would use with those aetherflow stacks aren't even affected by the potency buff....
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    Rin Shiraishi
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    Because they initially had it at +50% healing output. Now that is pretty brutal, for on-demand healing boosting.

    At +20%, though, it's meh. It will have its niche uses and I do have it hotbarred of course, but it's not amazingly good. Sort of like a slightly better version of pre-HW Tri-Disaster where you'll be like "oh, I could actually use this here", whereas most of the time it's not worth using.

    Also, funnily enough, Lustrate not being affected by buffs is an accepted bug, so I guess this might change sooner or later. (Or then the mods are derping - while it sucks it's not buffed, it's consistent at least, because other abilities tagged as Abilities ingame also do not receive healing buffs, ie. Tetragrammaton and the co.)
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    Justin Tymes
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    At best it's 3 Energy Drains, and the 20% helps you float until you can summon your pet again. It doesn't relly work as an "Oh Shi-" button since you have to set-up to make the most out of it, and you probably want your fairy in those type of situations too to slow the MP burn.
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    Gideon Highmourn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizarus View Post
    At best it's 3 Energy Drains, and the 20% helps you float until you can summon your pet again. It doesn't relly work as an "Oh Shi-" button since you have to set-up to make the most out of it, and you probably want your fairy in those type of situations too to slow the MP burn.
    The problem with using it for 3 Energy Drains is that you'll lose the MP you gained once you resummon her; especially in longer fights, Dissipation for MP is a poor use, you're better off using it for Lustrates or Indomitability.

    Until, of course, with better gear, Energy Drain starts restoring more MP due to higher MP pools. Then using it for that would be more beneficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn View Post
    Until, of course, with better gear, Energy Drain starts restoring more MP due to higher MP pools. Then using it for that would be more beneficial.
    Doesn't work that way. It's level-based. At level 50, it used to be 266 MP, regardless of the damage. At level 60, that value is now 884 MP per Energy Drain.

    Only the self-healing component of Energy Drain scales with your damage. (Ie. if you're ED'ing for MP only, it doesn't even matter how much you hit - as long as you don't miss. If you miss, it's 0 MP).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizarus View Post
    At best it's 3 Energy Drains, and the 20% helps you float until you can summon your pet again. It doesn't relly work as an "Oh Shi-" button since you have to set-up to make the most out of it, and you probably want your fairy in those type of situations too to slow the MP burn.
    Losing your pet is a big deal. The 20% potency buff - which happens not to affect several of our heals is not worth it + the MP cost of resummoning her +/- a swiftcast timer.

    The only benefit of the skill is the aether stacks - so if its not useful for ohshit either then its just plain not useful.
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    Hugo Fact
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    Yeah hopefully this gets buffed in the future it's pretty lame for a level 60 skill.
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    Kanya Nague
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    imagine it had 50%, you could fey illum+fey covenant + dissipate before a biiig hit, adldo tank with 70% bonus maybe even crit, spread adlo off gcd, cast sacred soil.
    Hits that are meant to get your grp in trouble will hit for nothing and afterwards you have indom for free and still 1 stack left from dissipate.


    and they cant even balance content around that because a grp could be AST+WHM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquil View Post
    Doesn't work that way. It's level-based. At level 50, it used to be 266 MP, regardless of the damage. At level 60, that value is now 884 MP per Energy Drain.

    Only the self-healing component of Energy Drain scales with your damage. (Ie. if you're ED'ing for MP only, it doesn't even matter how much you hit - as long as you don't miss. If you miss, it's 0 MP).
    Guess I misunderstood the way it works, then. Regardless, it's not a net gain to Dissipate for MP on longer fighters, it's a deficit. You're better off spending those Aetherflows on other abilities.
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    Crimson Bloodrose
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    It's the worst spell that has ever been created lol. Dissipation does not boost indomitability and lustrate (test it yourselves), has a 3 minute horrible cooldown, and on top of that it doesn't boost DPS (just healing potency).

    So basically, you kill your own fairy without being able to resummon her for the next 30 seconds to boost your physicks, adloquiums and succors by a mere 20%. Useless as ****.

    If you do it because you don't have mana and need the stacks of aetherflow for energy drains, let me clarify something to you:

    1 - Resummoning the pet at level 60 costs 1768 mana.
    2 - A single energy drain gives you back 884 mana.
    3 - The only content where you could ever struggle to keep up with your mana as a SCH is Alexander. Have fun killing your own fairy for the next 30 seconds, resummoning her for 1768 mana, and then seeing your 3 energy drains miss now that accuracy on healing gear has been completely removed (you'll exactly go with 354 base accuracy to alexander, wish you some nasty luck trying to land anything there that isn't a bio, a bio II or a shadow flare).

    So yeah.
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