How is BLM in new expansion?

[Alym]

I haven't gotten either to 60 yet, but you know I play both since we have talked about BiS gear sets for BLM in Final Coil on reddit. I will take your word for it about SMN doing 50% more AOE and being better in all categories, however, looks like people are forgetting, or choosing to ignore the fact that BLM has better than SMN in all categories for almost the entire time of 2.0 - 2.55. If SMN needs a nerf, or BLM a buff in order to be equal at AOE in Heavensward, then I can accept that. I just find it irritating the Final Coil bullshit we went through with itemization and mp issues, to only being desired in Second Coil for T7 kiting, to having Thunder I replaced with Blizzard II, to have people cry and complain that SMN OP and BLM sucks now. We were second rate casters for 2 years.

SMN was for sure the preferred DPS over BLM in both First and Second Coils. With the utility and higher DPS and more freedom of movement, I can't tell you how many raid groups either rejected me because I wasn't a SMN or wanted me to change to one after I joined the group. It's not entirely justified to have a "BLM's turn now!" attitude when SMN was really not preferred for all of two patches and one endgame tier. BLM is pretty terrible to play and is extremely punishing at the moment. We should be focusing less on some kind of caster revenge and more on caster balance.

[FrejyaAthenes]

Not really, I said I wouldn't mind a nerf/buff to either job so they can be equal. Nick picking at it's finest.

I believe you mean "nitpicking."

Jokes aside, I wasn't specifically applying the quote to you, just the situation.

[Aikaal]

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So you are saying justice deserved because SE didn't fix SMN mana issue in 2.0 from 2.55. I think you need to be remind that Summoner was pretty strong in First Coil and Second Coil. A lot more than BLMs thanks to downtimes.

When SMN cried they couldn't handle their MP, they did something because it was the truth. People claiming that SMN are op is also the truth right now. I'll play wte Caster is best anyways.

It's pretty easy to figure what happened, they look at both caster dps on dummy. They were about the same, everything is fine. In reality, BLM is getting severely more punished my moving and doing mechanics than Summoner. This is were the issue is. This is similar to DRG that couldn't apply Heavy Thrust because they missed the flank. They fixed it.

Pointing the argument it's well deserved because Summoners were second rate for 2 years is a really poor argument and a lie since SMN was strong in First and Second Coil.

[Fatshine]

SMN was for sure the preferred DPS over BLM in both First and Second Coils. With the utility and higher DPS and more freedom of movement, I can't tell you how many raid groups either rejected me because I wasn't a SMN or wanted me to change to one after I joined the group. It's not entirely justified to have a "BLM's turn now!" attitude when SMN was really not preferred for all of two patches and one endgame tier. BLM is pretty terrible to play and is extremely punishing at the moment. We should be focusing less on some kind of caster revenge and more on caster balance.

Alright, everyone. Let's just cool our heads. I will admit that reading people's posts has gotten the best of me. Both jobs went through ups and downs, and it is still early to know hard numbers and facts. Let's just wait a while. I will also admit that I don't know the lv60 state of both since I'm still leveling. The only thing I can say is that I am in joy with SMN now more than ever. I actually feel powerful. Perhaps I was wrong about Flare or perhaps not. I'll get back to this thread when I have more data.

[Aikaal]

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Thanks <3 Enjoy your HW

[Bambam]

Honestly...majority of my time now is spent looking at my timers to make sure astral stacks is on, how much time left on enochian. And then my attention also has to be mindful to dodge crap or when adds pop. Also add in some form of rotation that will eventually be broken by dodging or some mechanic
There's also times when I realize after I refresh Astral Stacks that I have a few seconds of Enochian, so I have to get back over into Umbral and cast a B4. Or when I hit Enochian before the timer even falls off, so it refreshes at a reduced time.

I kinda wish they would give us a longer timer on the stacks and when using Enochian, it just overwrites with a new 30 seconds. Right now, its a little stressful to play BLM. Seriously, that last boss in Neverreap. I can barely get any cast off without being flung or run over by the boss x_x

[Nestama]

our aoe got nerfed but it's still very powerful. Just not the god-mode-triple-whatever-any-other-class-could-imagine that we used to have (and tbf we were godmode in aoe for the entirety of ARR. I enjoyed it while it lasted but I think we all knew deep down that this would happen eventually). fire2 is 180 in af3, which is still powerful for aoe filler. flare is between 234 and 468 potency depending on the target, but honestly 234 is still a really high aoe potency.

So it's still worth using Flare without Convert up? I'm still getting reacquainted with my Job :<

[Aikaal]

Don't flare for Single Target. Not worth, unless you RS when Enochian is down which is a dps lost.

[SuzakuCMX]

SMN was for sure the preferred DPS over BLM in both First and Second Coils.

SMN was never preffered over BLM. In first coil, they ran out of mana much sooner than any other MP using class, forcing either massive DPS loss or a BRD to play manasong before the other classes could take full advantage of the MP regen. Additionally, if movement was required and their DoTs fell off, their DPS suffered much more than a BLM's would because DoTs were their primary form of damage. There was a long stretch where SMN simply were not allowed into any competitive content. They also didn't add much more utility than a SCH already added via Virus/E4E. Their DPS was never higher than BLM's either. I don't know which game you've been playing.

As far as "more complex because I have to watch timers now"

Seriously? Every other DPS class in the game has had to live or die by their ability to keep track of their timers. BLM can learn to live with it.

[Tman00]

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You seem to not really know the problem. I mean other classes can move around the boss and still use their weapon skills to refresh it. We have Swiftcast at best for 1 free cast per minute. Not to mention the managing of TP is much much easier compared to BLM MP. Example, if you need to refresh it and you move into Umbral Ice III you get very unlucky and don't get your next tick in three seconds. Which means you just wasted 3 seconds of Enochian and now you need to cast three seconds of B4 and hope your target doesn't move, become untargetable for awhile, or the boss targets you with a random AoE that could kill you or give you a status effect. Now this also happens with Fire I expect there isn't much MP issue now and it takes two seconds to cast but if you play the class right you only have 4-3 seconds to cast it before losing the stack. So if anything happens liek above just did, you're screwed again.