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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    For trials/raids, WAR has much more mitigation. Inner Beast will be up for every tankbuster.
    I've not experienced Heavensward content, but for older one, this is only true in theory.
    Tankbuster aren't frequent enough so that PLD don't have any cooldown ready for it.
    And at level 52, they gain Sheltron, which is up every 30 second, far enough for every tankbuster too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    On top of that they'll also have one of Vengeance, Thrill of Battle, or Raw Intuition. WAR can also use stuff like Foresight, Convalescence and Awareness just with Inner Beast, which PLD and DRK can't do because their effects are pretty weak by themselves
    How come you took into account new skills for WAR but not for PLD ? PLD can use a better Convalescence with Clemency for several really high heals when needed.
    I'm not sure if Divine Veil works if the PLD heals himself, but if it does, you also gain a very high barrier for each of these boosted Clemency.

    As for Foresight, the effect is exactly the same for PLD and WAR, except the cooldown is longer, which is, again, not a problem as long as tankbusters don't come more often. And you can pair it with Bulwark too.


    EDIT : Oook, little off-topic since PLD is not really part of the initial topic. Sorry for derailing
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 06-23-2015 at 07:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    sipziphowever
    I remember death sentences with no available CD in T5 when I had to replace our healer for a while. And that was with a PLD tank.

    Also the 30s block. Most if not every tank buster is MAGICAL and you can't block magical attacks.

    And what do you do with big selfheals (the 1200 cure potency+convalescent) if you get one shot due to no dmg reduction CD'S up

    As for warrior vs drk. Don't grit give same effect as shield oath? Which means you don't get the same feeling of squishyness on drk as on warrior when you get bigger hits coming in while trashpulls(but yes,you also get healed for more), but for tank busters imo warriors has currently the best arsenal, especially with Holmgang being on a relatively short CD.
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    Last edited by AniCelestine; 06-23-2015 at 07:53 PM.
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    but rather to prevent HP from reaching 0
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    Quote Originally Posted by AniCelestine View Post
    Most if not every tank buster is MAGICAL and you can't block magical attacks.
    Death Sentence isn't
    Ravensbeak isn't
    Bahamut's Claw isn't
    Flatten isn't

    So, which one exactly is magical ?
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 06-23-2015 at 09:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Death Sentence isn't
    Ravensbeak isn't
    Bahamut's Claw isn't
    Flatten isn't

    So, which one exactly is magical ?
    Echoed. You've got that reversed, Ani. The majority of Tank Busters - nay, the majority of all enemy attacks which target the player highest in aggro - are physical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AniCelestine View Post
    Also the 30s block. Most if not every tank buster is MAGICAL and you can't block magical attacks.
    T13 Flatten: Melee
    T9 Raven's Beak: Melee
    T10 Critical Rip: Melee
    T9 Dalamud Dive: Melee
    T9 Rage of Bahamut (Nael): Melee
    Death Sentence: Melee
    Plummet (T13 Storm of Meracydia): Melee
    T4 Dreadnaught Cleave: Melee
    Swipe (T13 Pain of Meraydia): Melee
    T1 Hood Swipe: Melee
    T7 Tail Whip: Melee
    T6 Bloody Caress: Melee


    These are just a few of the melee physical tank crunches in the (previously) end game content.

    T13 Ahk Morn: Magical
    T13 Rage of Bahamut (If improperly handled): Magical
    T9 Raven's Accent: Magical

    These are the only magical tank crunches I can think of that comes from (previously) difficult end game content. Might want to go rethink your comment, leave it to a career Warrior who hasn't even finished Paladin to level 50 to assume blocking is so useless.
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