Lustrate

[Ghishlain]

Defiance, Convalescence, and Fey Illumination all state "Healing Magic". If this indeed is the case and doesn't effect abilities, other abilities like Essential Dignity, Asylum, and Tetragrammaton will also be affected.

Anyone wanna test if Essential Dignity does the same? (Or if Asylum is if someone has a WHM high enough)

[SenzorialBoundries]

i wouldnt be so concerned if sch and whm were the only healers now but now with 3 healers to choose from sch will be so underwhelming groups will have no reason to bring one at all, even astro basic 2nd tier heal is 620 potency and chainable they have an instant heal of their own too and many usefull buffs that adds a lot to their utility , so WHY in the world would you even bring a sch anymore in a raid..

[Seryl199]

Defiance, Convalescence, and Fey Illumination all state "Healing Magic". If this indeed is the case and doesn't effect abilities, other abilities like Essential Dignity, Asylum, and Tetragrammaton will also be affected.

Anyone wanna test if Essential Dignity does the same? (Or if Asylum is if someone has a WHM high enough)

I wouldn't expect Asylum to be affected by anything, since it's a field AoE. You won't target anyone with it, rather they'll gain an effect like Succor when inside that will grant them a HoT. I'm not sure of Essential Dignity's specifics, but Tetragrammaton is percent based rather than potency based, and won't be affected regardless.

[Ghishlain]

I wouldn't expect Asylum to be affected by anything, since it's a field AoE. You won't target anyone with it, rather they'll gain an effect like Succor when inside that will grant them a HoT. I'm not sure of Essential Dignity's specifics, but Tetragrammaton is percent based rather than potency based, and won't be affected regardless.

Asylum still has a potency value so it should be affected in the same ways Lustrate, Indomitably, and Tetragrammaton is.

Also, Tetragrammaton is a 700 Potency heal on a 60 second cooldown. Essential Dignity is AST's version of an instant heal - potency 400 at a 60 second cooldown.

[Seryl199]

Asylum still has a potency value so it should be affected in the same ways Lustrate, Indomitably, and Tetragrammaton is.

Also, Tetragrammaton is a 700 Potency heal on a 60 second cooldown. Essential Dignity is AST's version of an instant heal - potency 400 at a 60 second cooldown.

Got it, thanks for the Tetra info. It probably will perform the same then. I still don't believe Asylum will be affected, as it's potency should snapshot based on your stats when you put it down.

[Ghishlain]

Got it, thanks for the Tetra info. It probably will perform the same then. I still don't believe Asylum will be affected, as it's potency should snapshot based on your stats when you put it down.

You're welcome.

The snapshot of the potency of the Asylum should be similar to Regen, but whether effects on the target who receives the effect take into account their buffs or debuffs is yet to be answered.

For example, say I put down Shadowflare - potency of Shadowflare would be based on a snapshot of my buffs and stats. For easy math, let's say it does 200 damage/tick. If two identical monsters are pulled into Shadowflare, but one has Trick Attack applied to them, would the monster with Trick Attack actually take 220 damage instead? I don't think there's been a test in that respect, so it's hard to say how exactly the game actually calculates the different factors. I do imagine that Asylum's HoT effect is similar to Shadowflare / Flaming Arrow DoT effect though.

[Seryl199]

You're welcome.

The snapshot of the potency of the Asylum should be similar to Regen, but whether effects on the target who receives the effect take into account their buffs or debuffs is yet to be answered.

For example, say I put down Shadowflare - potency of Shadowflare would be based on a snapshot of my buffs and stats. For easy math, let's say it does 200 damage/tick. If two identical monsters are pulled into Shadowflare, but one has Trick Attack applied to them, would the monster with Trick Attack actually take 220 damage instead? I don't think there's been a test in that respect, so it's hard to say how exactly the game actually calculates the different factors. I do imagine that Asylum's HoT effect is similar to Shadowflare / Flaming Arrow DoT effect though.

Aye, I suppose that's the challenge of speculating about new abilities while comparing them to pre-existing abilities. We just don't know (and level 52 WHM that could answer our query are probably still logged on and playing, rather than perusing the forum). I'm hesitant however to say that SCH is weak in light of this change without experiencing it for myself, especially in conjunction with all of the other abilities the expansion has to offer. Lustrate has certainly been knocked down a peg, but I can't see that it will make clearing most 2.X content substantially harder, and it's nigh impossible to say how it stacks up at level 60 without knowing the intricacies of classes and the effect of gear.

[reality_check]

Bonus: you can still cast lustrate while silenced!

[Kagatoion]

Second bonus: Lustrate CAN be crit now, too. Had one crit for 3400ish running around the new areas.

[Tranquil]

i wouldnt be so concerned if sch and whm were the only healers now but now with 3 healers to choose from sch will be so underwhelming groups will have no reason to bring one at all, even astro basic 2nd tier heal is 620 potency and chainable they have an instant heal of their own too and many usefull buffs that adds a lot to their utility , so WHY in the world would you even bring a sch anymore in a raid..

You're overreacting. Even if this wasn't a bug and if it were a flat 600 potency heal based on your current level/MD/MND's arbitrary value(s), it would still be good. The only thing that really stings is Defiance not being affected. In other cases, you're not even far off the old 25% threshold, especially when you crit-adjust it. (Lustrate can crit now). I am sure they will address this one way or another.

SCH has zero worries over having a raiding spot.