Lustrate

[SenzorialBoundries]

Ok this is not a whine thread even if i am really sad about the change , the thing is after some testing it turned out that lustrate is unaffected by Defiance Conva Fey Illumination etc. you will heal 2.2k regardless of those buffs , so why the potency if it remains unaffected by those healing buffs, i really hope this is a bug and it will be fixed in a hotfix otherwise its a huge nerf to SCH and lustrate , whm cure 2 got a 650 potency you can chain a couple if needed and you can divine seal them, astro 2nd heal is 620 potency , while lustrate 600 and you can use only 3 per minute.

I think if lustrate remains unnafected by those buffs scholars will die out.

[Muchmidget]

Have you tried using them on targets that have been hit with an Infirmity debuff? If the heal isn't affected by +X% healing buffs, I wonder if it'll be affected by -X% debuffs. Because if that's the case then lustrate just got a buff for non-tank targets (as people have been discussing already) without really changing its use.

If that's not the case....then >.>

[SenzorialBoundries]

Indomitability is also unaffected by % healling buffs like Illumination on defiance , i tested it , it heals for 1.5k regardless of buffs, except infirmity which will make it heal less, naah this is a straight up nerf to scholars.

[Muchmidget]

Indomitability is also unaffected by % healling buffs like Illumination on defiance , i tested it , it heals for 1.5k regardless of buffs, except infirmity which will make it heal less, naah this is a straight up nerf to scholars.

Maybe we should move this to be a bug then. If it's affected by debuffs it *should* be getting affected by buffs as well.

[Roxas_Andrade]

Indomitability is also unaffected by % healling buffs like Illumination on defiance , i tested it , it heals for 1.5k regardless of buffs, except infirmity which will make it heal less, naah this is a straight up nerf to scholars.

Did you test with Cleric stance on? If it's not affected either, it's paradise for SCH!!

[Ghishlain]

Can you Crit with Lustrate?

In hindsight, this amazingly... doesn't surprise given what we know about another ability that has potency - Shroud of Saints. Shroud of Saints had a potency value to it but the recovered amount never changed despite the gear score / buffs.

However, in contrast Second Wind - also an ability-style heal - is affected by specific factors.

Lustrate and Indomitably could be recovery abilities that only scale with specific factors such as, well, level.

Whether this is a bug or intended effect though, we'll probably need a dev response for this.

For the sake of science, it might good to see if Lustrate is affected by other factors:
-MND (take off all your accessories and see if the value changes)
-Target HP (just splatter Lustrates on random people you see)
-Level (I guess do a before and after)

I'd offer to help test but I'm still at work right now.

[SenzorialBoundries]

ofc i did , clerics and infirmity affect lustrate and indomitability negativley while +% healing buffs will not affect them.

[Tranquil]

ofc i did , clerics and infirmity affect lustrate and indomitability negativley [...]

I took the liberty of testing this by the way, and you are wrong.




Background info: Noticed one of the new main story quest monsters give you an Infirmity debuff. As I realized this, I was exposing myself to it and snapping an Embrace and a Lustrate in the same picture. Embrace is only about half as potent as it should be in the picture, whilst Lustrate is a normal, non-crit Lustrate at level 52 and i130.

Verdict: Lustrate doesn't seem to be affected by buffs or debuffs at the moment. Cleric Stance does affect it as it should, but I think the potency is snapshotted from some arbitrary value (Level? MD? MND?) and applied without any other considerations except Cleric Stance.

[Eloah]

So what all of this seems to be telling me is we still have a percentage heal that is now effected by whether or not we are in Cleric Stance, NERF!

[Ghishlain]

So what all of this seems to be telling me is we still have a percentage heal that is now effected by whether or not we are in Cleric Stance, NERF!

No, what Tranquil / Rin is saying is that for some inexplicable reason, we have an ability-based heal that is based off some parameter (most likely MND because of the MND and INT swap of Cleric Stance) that seems to be arbitrarily unaffected by both positive and negative healing effects.

The next best test for this is for some SCH to get to 58 and see what their Emergency Tactic Adlos cure for in Cleric Stance and compare to what their Lustrates cure for in the exact same gear. This will tell us if Lustrate is affected by the 20% healing magic reduction of Cleric Stance as well (just for science though, you should never be using Lustrate in Cleric Stance now...)

@Tranquil / Rin

Do you happen to recall how exactly that particular Infirmity debuff was worded? Because if it said "Reduces the potency of healing magic" and not "healing effects" it would explain why Lustrate works though it.