[Massive spoilers - do not read until storyline complete] I hate the ending

[Belhi]

She started out alive, we watch her die. So, we have time to intervene before she's a corpse. We do it in combat all the time; intervene BEFORE someone collapses.

Perhaps the poison was chosen because of the difficulty to cleanse it. That wouldn't be too hard. You cant even cleanse toxin's from Morbols and they are pretty common.

[Allyrion]

She started out alive, we watch her die. So, we have time to intervene before she's a corpse. We do it in combat all the time; intervene BEFORE someone collapses.

I also talked about this and would like it fact checked here cause I'm not too clear about it:

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Raise probably only works on people who have the Echo.

I think the Echo is actually the given reason for our seeming immortality, much like the Sahagin priest who becomes immortal and gains the Echo during the Levi arc. It's not expanded upon because it is more of a game mechanic.

Then again, Raise is a WHM spell and the WHMs don't have to have the echo (or SCHs either). The Seedseers don't have it, as far as we know.

That said, it's also been shown that normal souls dissipate almost immediately after death, while those with the Echo stay intact.

The PC wasn't allowed to bring their weapon into the room, so it's likely she was already lost by the time you could get your weapon and cast the spell.

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Regardless, most FF games run under the assumption that a party member never actually dies in combat, they faint.
Hence things like Pheonix Down or Raise are never implied to actually be ways to revive the dead.

If you mean while she's taking the poison, it actually acts pretty fast and we weren't even aware what was going for a good bit of it.
Mostly, like I said above, they take your weapon before entering the room (I think this was very much on purpose).
Obviously this must also be a poison that isn't curable by Esuna and such.
I'm guessing Lolorito/Teledji (not sure which decided) did their research.

[Sapphos]

She started out alive, we watch her die. So, we have time to intervene before she's a corpse. We do it in combat all the time; intervene BEFORE someone collapses.

Ah yeah sorry, I just took especially from our reaction, we were caught off guard. That and I would imagine drinking a particularly potent poison (with a tiny lalafell body no less!) is much faster acting than say poison from a Rafflesia making contact through the skin. Also remember that there are status ailments we cannot cure with Esuna/Leeches in combat, its very possible that the poison was of a similar nature.

[Dererk]

Hey look another one of these threads that say I'm a bad a?? Hero I can kill gods why am I not doing anything against what say over 500 city guards and combined Braves.

News flash people it took the combined force of the Flames Braves and and and the Doman shinobis to recapture the Ivy when she had what about 50 Imperial troops helping her?

Your not all powerful get off your god complex high horse.

[SuzakuCMX]

I mean, really, if we must go there, Nanamo could have just respawned at an Aetheryte. If you want to blame anyone, blame Nanamo for AFK-ing on the floor at such a crucial moment. She should have accepted the res immediately and sorted things out before the situation got any worse!

Oh, but I guess that confirms she's been trained as a Dragoon and will return when our adventure soars Heavensward™!

Nanamo a lolDRG confirmed.

[Jonnycbad]

The fact that Merlwyb and Raubahn are on your side make me happy because they actually do things unlike the Grodanian leader. Though from the trailer they mention something about a "wayward soul", i only saw it once but it seemed like they were going to resurrect the Sultana by pulling her out of the lifestream. I hope they don't because resurrecting characters makes Raubahn losing his arm a pointless sacrifice, this isn't Scooby-Do or Thunder Cats, or Final Fantasy XI, i don't want everything to return to the status quo at the end of the day. I want long term and permanent consequences. Also, the Sultana wasn't developed enough to make her death too heartbreaking. Maybe if they killed her in 4.0 or 5.0 then it would be a shocker but she was in like 4 maybe 5 cutscenes so far.

[pandabearcat]

It doesn't matter if it'll destroy the alliance, there literally isn't an alliance left because Uldah sure as hell isn't going to cooperate.

Why wait and all out war with Uldah when you can just murder Lolorito and all those brass blades right now?

There is nothing to be gained by waiting, maybe like, "the hearts of the uldah peoples" but really Uldah as a military might isn't going to be helping anyone anytime soon.

Also the stupid crystal brave guy literally admitted to killing Nanamo, as well as the hilarious lalafel guy just going completely over the top evil.

He also definitely drew blades in the room where you shouldn't draw blades or whatever, so all gloves are off and here is where you should just go and beat the bad guys to a pulp.

So we must assume that

1. The brass blades, at least the ones in the room, are definitely completely evil. They deserve no mercy and should have been cut down by the good guys.
2. They were deceived, and after hearing that dude confess, should have turned and arrested him. Since they didn't, they're guilty!

So...yea. The good guys certainly sucked here and there is no alliance anymore (at least any that involves uldah). They didn't have to save face, they should've at least killed/detained the guy that admitted guilt.

The fact that lolorito did absolutely nothing to detain the brave after he confessed also clearly implicates him as a bad guy. Assuming the 3 leaders actually like each other, and are a fan of the alliance, if you saw your friend murdered and another man you trust (Raubahn) injured, you wouldn't just run away, diplomacy or not.

I was joking about the lalafel. I would do anything for Tataru ._. ... but male lalafel...I've got my eyes on you. Papalymo gets a pass. That white haired zorro guy might also not be terrible.

[Sapphos]

There is still an alliance? The Brass Blades =/= the Grand Company. The Flames believe you. Ul'dah would never go to war with you *Unless you killed him*, while most there were in on the coup if you had killed Lolorito/Teledji the people would have known, people whose jobs and lives depend on their coin. To them it would have looked like the Warrior of Light got too big of an ego and tried to stage some sort of hostile takeover by eliminating Nanamo and various rich members of the community.

[WhiteArchmage]

Then again, Raise is a WHM spell and the WHMs don't have to have the echo (or SCHs either). The Seedseers don't have it, as far as we know.

That said, it's also been shown that normal souls dissipate almost immediately after death, while those with the Echo stay intact.

Just to clarify a bit, Raise isn't a WHM spell. It's a CONJURER spell, and the difference IS big enough because, while there's only around 4 or 5 (known) White Mages in Eorzea right now (Raya-O-Senna, A-Run-Senna and surely Kan-E-Senna plus, probably, the PC). In the CNJ quests, Sylvie talks about training and being sure that she can cast Raise, which causes E-Sumi-Yan to flip out and she DOES end up casting it at one point.

[pandabearcat]

The brass blades control uldah.

Raubahn is imprisoned or otherwise.

The flames are...missing? What are they doing? They are also mentioned as being extremely weak compared to before, etc.

At best there is going to be a civil war retaking Uldah from the brass blades.

The flames aren't going to do anything anytime soon.

If we had just killed lolorito + that guy, raubahn is still (and has been) the de facto leader of Ul'dah, and would've told them about the (truthful) confession.

Instead now we get to have them break the story with their lies.

All in all it was a master stroke of stupidity on behalf of all the good guys.

As far as I can tell also it is literally only the bourgeoisie that like Lolorito and his gang - the syndicate and the monetarists (are they the same thing?) are hated by all the refugees, all the common people who work for nothing and have no money, etc. Raubahn and Nanamo were pretty much universally loved by the non rich and I really really doubt anyone would care if Lolorito died.