How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Aiurily]

so ht and ph are 24s

so with 24s HT a sample rotation would be

HT>IDCF>P>TTTW>HT (refreshes at 1s~)

the other issue im worried about now is, with a 24s PH it'll be weird to line it up with the CT combo. you'll be applying PH at 26s~ on CT so the dot times will be similar at least

if you continue with always using 4 hit combos, you'll also run into the issue where you drop dis+ct for 2 gcds (@2.47sksp)

edit: so if you drop fang & claw but use wheeling thrust (or the opposite) with enough sksp you wont drop disembowel or CT on 2nd reapplication (you'll run into problems later on still though, it seems) you'll still have awkward phleb timings though; maybe it's better to just put HT+PH back together again like 2.0 days

[Thendiel]

so ht and ph are 24s

Could I see a link for that if you have one?

[Aiurily]

http://www.gamerevolution.com/featur...-a-second-time

sorry, forgot source. it's from someone who played the E3 HW

[Krypkins]

Hmmm with a 24 sec timer on both HT and Phelb things could work out. Made a spreadsheet to try and time some things out. Here's what i have thus far.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

[Sleigh]

According to that it seems like you'd be able to use Geirskogul just about twice per Blood of the Dragon, or roughly 400 potency extra every minute in single target before buffs. I don't imagine 3 would somehow fit in, looking at the timelines?

[Thendiel]

Based on how I understand the rotation, I think Krypkins has the correct approach. We want:

HT -> ID-Dis-CT-F&C -> Phleb -> TT-VT-FT-WhT -> (repeat)

...or, alternatively:

HT -> Phleb -> ID-Dis-CT-F&C -> TT-VT-FT-WhT -> (repeat)

These both involve a lot of CT clipping (we're clipping off 5 seconds or more, depending on Skill Speed). However, the only other viable approaches that I've thought of involve 5 seconds or less of CT downtime per use, which sounds pretty sub-optimal by comparison.

[ErzaScarlet77]

gonna be switching to DRG main from MNK come 3.0
those new skills are ridiculous

[Krypkins]

As i look over the sheet again, im pretty sure i didnt stay consistent in the way i did the timers. I'll have to redo them at some point

I'd like to think the rotation itself should be solid more or less tho

[HoolieWho]

According to that it seems like you'd be able to use Geirskogul just about twice per Blood of the Dragon, or roughly 400 potency extra every minute in single target before buffs. I don't imagine 3 would somehow fit in, looking at the timelines?

You get two Geirskogul per BotD without doing any time extensions. Extending BotD with Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw will give you three Geirskogul per minute easily. It would take a lot of skillspeed to get four though.

[Sleigh]

Okay, so, it looks like:

Ger costs 10s of time.
A rotation is roughly 12.5s (4 moves + HT or Phleb).
You gain 2.5s of BotD per rotation, technically a bit more with some SS/Selene
You have exactly 5 rotations at 0 SS between BotD uses (gets funky with SS)
To last from extender to extender, you need 12.5s. To last extender to extender with Geir within it, you need 22.5s, which means there are rotations you are unable to do Geir even if you have enough time to do X amount within 5 rotations. As long as you never dip below 0 BotD duration you're fine. If you dip below 0 BotD duration within the last rotation, and can activate BotD before your next extender, that should be fine too.

Napkin rotation, might not be true just making it up as I go along a rotation in my head:

If say you start before CT4, you have 27.5s left as of CT4. Can use Geir there and survive to next rotation, for a total of -22.5s, or 5s left + 15s = 20s left. Can't Ger yet before next extender or will drop. Can Geir after next CT4/FT4, as you'd have 22.5s left. At that point you will survive to the next BotB and can just blow Geir right before the next BotB regardless. Should be able to loop that, although the next Geir would be delayed by a little.

You get two Geirskogul per BotD without doing any time extensions.

You only get 1 without extensions, it's a 10s CD on Geir, and a 15s base on BotD. You'd have 5s after your use before you run out, less than the 10s you need.