MSQ req for DK ?????

[Alexia89]

Especially with the non-existent Tank wait time for dungeons...

Yeah... not so sure the wait time for tanks will be "non-existent" come Friday.

[Dererk]

The thing is from what he's saying he's gona toss pld for drk I'm sorry DK because he didn't like pld so he doesn't care for exp on it.

[KayoZ]

Hes level 25... doesnt have Halones Rage yet. Riot is the highest damage attack he has for a while. Well, until 26 lol. Not that its any less spammy.

Yes its dumb to have to finish MSQ to continue. Love how everyone just passively mentions it like its nothing despite the fact you have to grind ilvl to 90 before youre even allowed to finish that MSQ. Get off your high horse, its no ones business whether someone cares enough about 2.0+ story to want to do all those craptastic fedex quests post CM. Specially when its needed just to unlock a class thatll set you back 20 levels anyway. It is what it is though... just another cheap "F U, spend more time, pay us more" scheme from SE.

May as well stop complaining and get to it. Hopefully since ilvl 90 is the min for Ishgard, theyll have vendors selling basic ilvl 90 gear there or even at the main cities, so we can skip the grind and just skip through the story with any new characters.

[StouterTaru]

He's level 25, tanking isn't necessary at his level. Stuff hits so weak in those dungeons and tank gear is pretty much the same as melee dps gear.

[sirDarts]

Yeah... not so sure the wait time for tanks will be "non-existent" come Friday.

Unless he is on a dead server, they will.
There is still a crapload of people under 50, there is still a crapload of people doing Roulettes, and Tanks will always be the most required job in DF.
Also keep in mind that a bunch of people will go do AST and MCH. Pretty sure there will be more of those than DRK.

[Reynhart]

I wonder when we'll see threads like "I bought Heavensward...now I just learned I need FFXIV too, WTF ?!"

[Krylo]

1. No, no, no. Here's how your low level combo goes: Shield lob, flash x3, fast blade combo, flash some more, riot blade if 'needed,.

Before shield oath: Fast blade has an enmity of 150, savage blade has 600, Riot Blade 230.

So a fast blade + savage combo = 750 enmity. FB + RB = 380.

Flash, however, deals 500 enmity.

Fast blade + savage + fast blade +savage = 1500 enmity. Or 150 ePot per second

Flash + fast + riot blade + flash = 1380 enmity. Or 138 ePot per second (in both cases, assuming 0 skill speed, i.e. 2.5 second GCD).

Note that the potency per second for a lancer using the optimal (and super simple) rotation at those levels is 83. What this means is that both of these methods are comfortably above anything a DPS can put out, AS LONG AS YOU NEVER DEVIATE FROM A SINGLE TARGET. As soon as you do, a lancer will pull aggro from savage blade. Source: Literally no tank could hold aggro on a target I focused in the first three dungeons leveling lancer. Also the fact that as soon as you drop SB on another mob, your ePot per second tanks for that combo.

So while Fast + Savage is certainly more efficient at gaining/maintaining aggro on a single enemy, pre Halatali riot + flash spam actually works fine and means you never have to worry about an add wandering off to beat up the healer or that asshole level synked BLM spamming Fire 2. Honestly, in packs with 3 mobs, it works better because you're dropping straight 500 enmity on every enemy in the pack every third GCD instead of cycling through and picking one to drop it on, risking losing aggro on your primary to the Lancer who has correctly surmised that HIS low level rotation is heavy thrust into impulse drive until heavy thrust needs reapplication. (If memory serves, the easiest low level glad rotation is actually flash x 2 -> savage -> riot -> Flash -> savage -> riot -> Flash, etc. but I've not needed to worry about that in a long time)

It's not something I'd ever recommend because it's going to form terrible habits for later, BUT pretending that it can't hold aggro is pretty silly.

@OP: Despite all that, you should stop doing that, trust me. It doesn't work once you get past halatali and it's forming bad habits for you. Plus savage blade combo is straight superior on bosses.

[FallenArisen0990]

Why is this thread in an existence? This question has been asked and answered on numerous sites and youtube.

[sirDarts]

*snip*

Did you follow the story, or did you skip through it?
If you would have followed the story, you should understand why it's NOT POSSIBLE for anyone outside of Ishgard to teach the ways of a DRK/AST/MCH.
And to get to Ishgard, you HAVE TO finish MSQ.

It would be a GIANT plothole allowing either of these without MSQ.

[RhynAzullo]

Could have gone Warrior if you didn't like Paladin tanking.

Just sayin'.

He said giant axes ruin his immersion. *shrug*