MSQ req for DK ?????

[Reynhart]

I wonder when we'll see threads like "I bought Heavensward...now I just learned I need FFXIV too, WTF ?!"

[FallenArisen0990]

Why is this thread in an existence? This question has been asked and answered on numerous sites and youtube.

[KayoZ]

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Like I said before, its up to the individual whether or not they want to do it. They can always go back and catch up. Its a game, not real life. Thats like SE requiring players to finish Tomb Raider before moving on to 2... or Bioware requiring a completed Mass Effect 2 save in order to play 3. You dont actually NEED to finish those to enjoy the story and any important info is usually explained again for new comers. Hell, anyone who bothers to see the intro movie will pretty much get the gist of it anyway.

For the record, yes, I did do the story on this character and have been waiting. Doesnt change the fact that, IMO, its too big of a requirement for new players or even old players with new characters who just want to get to the new content, having this bottleneck waiting for them wasting their early 50s doing old content and grinding gear.

[Reynhart]

Thats like SE requiring players to finish Tomb Raider before moving on to 2... or Bioware requiring a completed Mass Effect 2 save in order to play 3. You dont actually NEED to finish those to enjoy the story and any important info is usually explained again for new comers. Hell, anyone who bothers to see the intro movie will pretty much get the gist of it anyway.

Or Blizzard to clear Act IV of Diablo 2 before playing Lord Of Destruction, or finish Diablo 3 to play the new act in Reaper Of Souls...
Oh, wait...

[sirDarts]

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You are comparing stand-alone complete games to an expansion.
HW is an expansion, a story-based expansion to a story-based game, you can't play it without owning the original game, and you can't play it without finishing the story to a certain point.
There might be expansions in the future that won't be connected directly via the story and won't require you to finish anything, outside of a given level/iLevel, but HW is not such a thing.

FF games were always highly story-based, and FFXIV is in no way different just because it's an MMO. Areas were always gated by the story, characters were always gated by the story, and jobs were also most of the time (some FF games have jobs bound to characters) gated by the story.
If you don't like that, then FF is not a series suited for you.

Also the content might be old for you, but it's NOT old for new players who have never done it.

[kirk]

Lol this thread again >_>

[MirielleLavandre]

This thread here is excellent proof of exactly why the new jobs are locked behind 2.55. Perhaps by that time SE expects players to have learned to at least play their jobs to a minimal level ^^ DRK is looking to be the most complex tanking class as far as resource management and stance swapping is concerned, so I, for one, and glad that players will at least need a lvl 50 and have finished the story to unlock it. Not counting the sub 200 dps players in WoD, at least beating 2.55 means you experienced a few semi-difficult fights, even if you were carried, and is 'proof' of at least cursory skill. To OP -- good luck with GLD and PLD when/if you get it. If you stay with tanking long enough to actually finish 2.55, then have fun with DRK ^^

[KayoZ]

You are comparing stand-alone complete games to an expansion.

Funny, you make the comparison that its an mmo vs sp yet someone else just goes for Diablo, an SP game thats ironically made by a company that never required one to finish the story of any expansion to catch up. I didnt need to kill beat Garrosh to get into Draenor yet somehow I knew what happened going in. Diablo didnt finish the originals story then send you on endless fetch quests inbetween actual content and gear grinds leading to the next expansion. Did they gate new classes behind that too? Doubt it.

As for the rest, sorry but "its always been this way" isnt a good argument. 2.1+ may have been bareable in patches throughout the year, but as someone who actually did it all after the 2.55 patch, its mind numbing and long. Made only worse by the constant ports all over Eorzea and the gear grind.

Also the content might be old for you, but it\\'s NOT old for new players who have never done it.

And I never said they shouldnt be able to. Im saying it should be their choice.

[lololink]

Because there are no main story quests in WoW ?

[Reynhart]

Funny, you make the comparison that its an mmo vs sp yet someone else just goes for Diablo, an SP game thats ironically made by a company that never required one to finish the story of any expansion to catch up.

Funny how you purposely forget the part of my quote where it specifically says that you have to beat the main story to get access to the expansion content.
Or funny how you consider Diablo a "single-player" game...

And before you use the "But Wow isn't like that !", you just have to remember that WoW, contrary to FFXIV and Diablo, does not have a main story tying content together.

Seriously, did you complain you can't face Malthael after he stole the Black Soulstone before doing Act II where you retrieve said soulstone in the first place ?!