I am infuriated and in tears, about to quit again

[Adire]

they didn't wait. it's 100% their fault. fact remains you are 100% in the right to roll that's why SE allows it.

Um...so you're saying if they've been waiting for say, 5 minutes, no replacement has come in, they pull, then a replacement pops in, that's their fault O.o? Okay then. Pretty selfish to want them to wait forever for you and know the future to know when someone is going to come in.

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No "horse puckey" here. Can you see the future? Do you know every time how long it's going to take for someone to replace the kicked player? Are you aware that many times, players have joined AFTER the boss has already been pulled? How is that anyone's fault, unless they can see the future? Are you aware that not everyone notices immediately when someone has been kicked, when they have left, or when they join in?

The bottom line is either way, the person has not contributed. Having the ability to profit off of others' work when you have not worked yourself is wrong, no matter the reason.

[Musashidon]

Um...so you're saying if they've been waiting for say, 5 minutes, no replacement has come in, they pull, then a replacement pops in, that's their fault O.o? Okay then. Pretty selfish to want them to wait forever for you and know the future to know when someone is going to come in.

pretty selfish to say they can't loot because you're impatient.

if you can proceed without them don't look for a replacement.

[Adire]

pretty selfish to say they can't loot because you're impatient.

if you can proceed without them don't look for a replacement.

Lol! So it's wrong for 23 people to choose to not wait forever for one person before pulling, even if they have no idea when said person will even join the raid, but it's okay for 1 person to have 23 people wait as long as they need. Okay then, that's all I needed to know!

[Whiteroom]

Lol! So it's wrong for 23 people to choose to not wait forever for one person before pulling, even if they have no idea when said person will even join the raid, but it's okay for 1 person to have 23 people wait as long as they need. Okay then, that's all I needed to know!

Wrong, no, but punishing them is not right either. You chose to pull. You take the gamble. But hey, if they are in one of the other parties, it's no gamble, right?

[DreadRabbit]

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I would agree with you if and only if we didn't have the tools to deal with the cases that you're talking about. Party's fault if you don't stop to check if you have a full team or not. And if you can kill the boss without that extra person, why did you vote to bring someone in?

Just like you can't control if someone doesn't join until after the boss is killed, the person who is waiting in queue can't control the progress of the party they're joining. It's a two-way street and you're not comprehending that. The specific scenario you state in that particular quote isn't fair. I'll give that to you. But you as the party can either cancel searching for another member or wait before taking on the boss.

Parties can vote-kick if someone is purposefully hanging back and doing nothing. If you don't use the feature, you have yourself to blame.

SE gave us the need vs greed system purely to help combat RNG to some extent. You want specific gear? Roll that class. You're going to play it anyway.

[Adire]

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If we had the tools to deal with this issue, this thread would not exist and this situation would not be so common for people. Why vote to bring someone in? Because 2 hands are still better than one, even if you only actually need one.

I am comprehending that actually. That's why I said it's no one's fault in many cases.

Though I do agree with you there, the OP should be rolling bard if he wants a serious chance at getting bard gear.

[Lillia]

If we had the tools to deal with this issue, this thread would not exist and this situation would not be so common for people. Why vote to bring someone in? Because 2 hands are still better than one, even if you only actually need one.

I am comprehending that actually. That's why I said it's no one's fault in many cases.

Though I do agree with you there, the OP should be rolling bard if he wants a serious chance at getting bard gear.

Or another solution, run with a pre-made on the agreements that if the drop does drop then it's yours.

[Adire]

Does not matter one bit. You wasted that persons queue. That is just as annoying as losing a drop. Some queues, especially dps ones can take forever. Once again, your choice, your gamble. Also, the troll abuse that would come from your solution, especially in 24 man content... well, the skys the limit.

You could say the same thing for queuing in progress. It's a gamble. You may very well end up joining in right after the loot crate with the loot you want in it is opened. Then your queue was still wasted. When you queue, you queue for an instance. You don't get an option to queue in-progress for one specific point in a duty. So by queuing in progress you are saying "I want to get into the dungeon, and know I may get in after the boss I actually need." You can fault one person for taking that gamble more than you can fault 23 people wanting to see if anyone is willing to join in progress, knowing they are gambling by doing so.

Also, troll solution is already in the game: 15 seconds to get inside. If you're keeping up with the group, you cannot be locked out by a troll.

[Lillia]

Also, troll solution is already in the game: 15 seconds to get inside. If you're keeping up with the group, you cannot be locked out by a troll.

You keep saying that, what if the person comes in after the pull and notice was made? Then what? There's not a 100% chance of that not being done or someone just having a pure awful PC that loads slow. Of course these are situations made convenient to this situation but to strike the point that if it did happen like this by chance then the unlucky would still be punished for the impatient.

[DreadRabbit]

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Again, we agree to disagree. If OP honestly felt the healer on his team wasn't doing his/her share, he could have spoke up about it before the boss that had his wanted loot. We don't know if he did or not. Never will.

There's always going to be jerk players, and I do honestly feel for OP. Been in that position in other games. Heck, many times the healer isn't paying attention and I'm healing on BLM, yet it's still the healer that gets the commendation or thanks. But you shrug, move on, try again.