I am infuriated and in tears, about to quit again

[Whiteroom]

tbh, they queued, they deserved it. Its not their fault they were locked out. And on a greed too. If its worth it to cry over, at least level the appropriate class to roll need.... I mean wth? really wth?!! It's mind boggling somehow.

Not to be to harsh, but if you are getting this worked up over junk from WoD, maybe you do need to step back and quit. That really cant be good for you if you can't cope with that.

Also, over something unconfirmed for a class you can't even get yet.... head is exploding.

[Lillia]

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Honestly, I'm having disturbing images of people trolling others for loot with a system such as "You're not in so you don't get to roll on loot." Imagine a pre-pull just to get 100% chances at a drop cause a player is in a group with 2 other dps of the same class? :/

[Adire]

Honestly, I'm having disturbing images of people trolling others for loot with a system such as "You're not in so you don't get to roll on loot." Imagine a pre-pull just to get 100% chances at a drop cause a player is in a group with 2 other dps of the same class? :/

You get 15 seconds to get in, that's plenty of time unless you're at the beginning of the map, which should rarely be the case.

Also, in regards to your prior post in response to me: I think not allowing someone to roll who has not contributed is still preferable to allowing someone to roll who hasn't. The fill-in might get locked out of one fight, or might join in already locked out, but they aren't having to put in any effort, so therefore not getting any rewards is fair to me.

Sitting outside while everyone fights and then looting and winning is still doing just that at the end of the day, and it's still wrong. Expecting 23 people to wait for you forever and notice as soon as you join is also pretty selfish.

[DreadRabbit]

Why they were locked out doesn't matter. The fact is, they did not contribute.

Why they were locked out DOES matter. Very rarely when a player is locked out of a fight it's because it's their fault. Impatient tanks, accidental pulls by healer or DPS, DC-ing, one player disliking someone for whatever reason and initiating the fight just so they do get locked out, among a myriad of other things can cause a player to get locked out of a fight. Let alone if you just vote-kicked someone for being horrible in the party, and someone joins to take their place, should THEY be punished if your team gets too impatient to wait for them to run up to where you are? The answer is no.

As much as RNG sucks, the system we have now is the fairest we've got. While OP's situation is horrible and we've all been there, there is an answer: if you know you're gonna level a job to want the gear you're grinding for, just go do it so you can roll need over greed. Next people will say players can't give commendations unless a meter in the game proclaims player x hit certain parameters and are now worthy of getting said commendation.

[Adire]

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It DOESN'T matter. Why? Because if you have not put in effort for whatever reason, those who have put in effort deserve it more. And again, you have 15 seconds to get inside.

And again, if you join in-progress and they've already pulled, no one is at fault, but one fact remains: They contributed, you did not.

That 15 second rule is there to ensure that everyone has ample time to get inside the fight area as long as they're somewhat nearby. If someone joins in-progress and is already locked out or does not have time to get there, no one is at fault, so the person who joins should still not feel like they deserve to roll as much as the people who have been fighting.

[Lillia]

Expecting 23 people to wait for you forever and notice as soon as you join is also pretty selfish.

That's when the 23 other people don't add a replacement, again... I'm not commending thing kind of thing if the person is in the wrong but if they clearly put DF to search for another healer then it's completely fair, WoD can be solo healed and party should of asked or healer should of booted when the other healer was just sitting on their buns the whole previous fights.

There's ways to prevent leecher abuse sometimes, it doesn't mean those who would actually put in work should be the ones that's punished. But like you said, it's fair to you and well.. like I'm clearly stating, the view is unfair to me to a certain degree so lets just agree to disagree on this view.

[Musashidon]

And again, if you join in-progress and they've already pulled, no one is at fault, but one fact remains: They contributed, you did not.

they didn't wait. it's 100% their fault. fact remains you are 100% in the right to roll that's why SE allows it.

[DreadRabbit]

I guess that's where we agree to disagree. And why the devs are in charge of the game, not you. Also:

If someone joins in-progress and is already locked out or does not have time to get there, no one is at fault, so the person who joins should still not feel like they deserve to roll as much as the people who have been fighting.

Are you serious? So if a healer or a tank joins in progress and can't get into the fight where they're needed because your alliance wasn't patient enough to let them get to you, "no one's at fault"? Horse puckey. Everyone knows how long it takes to run from dungeon start with shortcuts. If you didn't want to bother to wait to let someone who joined to replace the bad player you vote-kicked, it is 100% your fault they couldn't participate.

[Adire]

they didn't wait. it's 100% their fault. fact remains you are 100% in the right to roll that's why SE allows it.

Um...so you're saying if they've been waiting for say, 5 minutes, no replacement has come in, they pull, then a replacement pops in, that's their fault O.o? Okay then. Pretty selfish to want them to wait forever for you and know the future to know when someone is going to come in.

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No "horse puckey" here. Can you see the future? Do you know every time how long it's going to take for someone to replace the kicked player? Are you aware that many times, players have joined AFTER the boss has already been pulled? How is that anyone's fault, unless they can see the future? Are you aware that not everyone notices immediately when someone has been kicked, when they have left, or when they join in?

The bottom line is either way, the person has not contributed. Having the ability to profit off of others' work when you have not worked yourself is wrong, no matter the reason.

[Musashidon]

Um...so you're saying if they've been waiting for say, 5 minutes, no replacement has come in, they pull, then a replacement pops in, that's their fault O.o? Okay then. Pretty selfish to want them to wait forever for you and know the future to know when someone is going to come in.

pretty selfish to say they can't loot because you're impatient.

if you can proceed without them don't look for a replacement.