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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    It is already revealed by Yoshi-P himself that all raid encounters are tuned with absolutely zero healer dps.
    Which is one of the reasons they were cleared faster than he thought they would. Yoshi also said that Alex Savage will be tuned with healer DPS in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    I'm still scratching my head on the acc boost for tanks
    well for tanks it's a nice idea though 15% is way too much considering how you have to gear for flank anyway when you want to dps when not main tanking.

    for healers you would need a boost of 25% on cleric's though if you go by current content to hit the cap...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Which is one of the reasons they were cleared faster than he thought they would. Yoshi also said that Alex Savage will be tuned with healer DPS in mind.
    Truely I am concerned about it though.
    I don't want good healers being pressured to have X DPS from people who they are cleaning up after. (Failed mitigations/dodges/what have you)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont View Post
    well for tanks it's a nice idea though 15% is way too much considering how you have to gear for flank anyway when you want to dps when not main tanking.

    for healers you would need a boost of 25% on cleric's though if you go by current content to hit the cap...
    You'd still want front accuracy for most fights regarding adds or an emergency unexpected tank swap. Oh t13, you cruel mistress...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niqote View Post
    Truely I am concerned about it though.
    I don't want good healers being pressured to have X DPS from people who they are cleaning up after. (Failed mitigations/dodges/what have you)
    Sounds like the healer in the scenario you described isn't playing with a good team.

    In general, it takes a good team to clear hard content. (Which is what Alexander Savage is supposedly going to be.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGMidlander View Post
    Sounds like the healer in the scenario you described isn't playing with a good team.

    In general, it takes a good team to clear hard content. (Which is what Alexander Savage is supposedly going to be.)
    It's a vague representation. And its about the majority ^^
    Actually... personally I will not have the problem. But I worry for others if this becomes a trend that flows into other content too.

    But you are right. Alex sounds like its supposed to be harder. So perhaps it is unwarranted worry!
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    There's a reason why I put crit/accuracy on my scholar relic...
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    The problem with depending on healer DPS is that some groups start to expect it. especially out of SCH, so long as people do not forgot that a healer is that just, a HEALER. dps comes second and always optional. and it's mostly elitist or people who need healers to pick up their slack to expect them to dps out of nessassity, even so far as to saying follish things like"you need to dps as healer"

    If the new content has healer dps in mind, this will only further make this a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    SHHHHH.

    It should have been like this to begin with! Healers never miss attacks in WoW and it makes things so much less frustrating since our gear doesn't have hit on it.

    If I never see a miasma or energy drain miss again it will be too soon.
    You must be new there then.

    I remember a wipe in Ulduar because cleanse was resisted and I couldn't remove Fusion Punch and our tank exploded.

    Heals/attacks being resisted (miss is physical hits only until very recently) was a thing.
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    For tanks, a tank-stance bonus makes sense. Right now a tank has to have accuracy on most of their gear to hit the cap and, while it's not too hard to hit, it really restricts gearing sometimes. Making it so they just need flank makes a bunch of sense. OT at melee cap, hit tank stance to go MT at front cap. And if you want to try MT stance dancing you need to build in more accuracy.

    I don't think cleric stance needs a bonus, I think they should just get more accuracy. Perhaps not to cap, but something more reasonable that the current situation.
    Additionally, there needs to be some way to even out Astrologian/WHM against Scholar. BioI/II's 100% hit rate is such a huge advantage.
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