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    Since when is Energy Drain not an attack spell O.O? I must be using mine wrong, they do 500-800 dmg in CS ...
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    Last edited by Elladie; 06-05-2015 at 06:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elladie View Post
    Since when is Energy Drain not an attack spell O.O? I must be using mine wrong, they do 500-800 dmg in CS ...
    Energy Drain doesn't count because it doesn't change enmity And since it uses an Aetherflow charge you don't use it in a DPS rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Energy Drain doesn't count because it doesn't change enmity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquil View Post
    Did you not see the Smiley after I said that?

    http://valk.dancing-mad.com/tables/enmity-tables/

    Because we had this dang argument already about healing generating enmity and I wasn't going to go into it again. Which part is generating the enmity, the healing or the attack? Said website didn't test, and people don't generally use it for DPS rotation since Aetherflow has a CD, of which there are better uses for the Aetherflow stack.
    Quote Originally Posted by desufin View Post
    Haha what the heck am I reading? It's like the special olympics of who can come up with the dumbest statements of the year.
    Congratulations, you win the trolling award for contributing absolutely nothing to the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    and people don't generally use it for DPS rotation since Aetherflow has a CD, of which there are better uses for the Aetherflow stack. .
    Which people? And which supposedly better uses?

    To recap, Lustrate doesn't (shouldn't) need to be spammed Soil is a waste of a stack outside of specific situations, and Bane, while essential for AoE, obviously isn't used for single-target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Well I didnt forget Bane or Energy Drain since they aren't attack spells, granted Assize might be similar to Energy Drain but I dont know. Bane doesn't count however, since it's not a damaging spell its just a spell that spreads your DoTs
    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Energy Drain doesn't count because it doesn't change enmity And since it uses an Aetherflow charge you don't use it in a DPS rotation.
    Haha what the heck am I reading? It's like the special olympics of who can come up with the dumbest statements of the year.
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    Last edited by desufin; 06-05-2015 at 01:46 PM. Reason: No cussing, oops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by desufin View Post
    Haha what the heck am I reading? It's like the special olympics of who can come up with the dumbest statements of the year.
    Wow what a dick thing to say. Try looking at the heart of what we both said before you pass your idiotic judgement.

    My statement was that Bane isn't an attack spell, which it isn't. Technically, Energy Drain isn't either, but seeing as how it does damage the enemy I can see how people would view it that way. I also made the comparison that while I'm not sure how Assize will act, it is being hinted at as being an attack spell, that damages and heals at the same time; what the potency is and how it works have yet to be discussed.

    And Kisai's statement was that since Energy Drain doesn't change Enmity, if it does I don't know, it might not be considered one because it isn't a spell you would use often.

    Learn to read between the lines. And while you think our statements might of been "dumb", which is your opinion and you are entitled to it, keep derogatory remarks like claiming it's the Special Olympics to yourself. That could be taken as a very cruel statement to some people on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Energy Drain doesn't count because it doesn't change enmity
    Crits for nearly 1k and isn't considered a damage spell because it "doesn't change enmity". This is almost on par with "double enmity from overhealing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    Over half of your Aetherflow stacks should be used on Energy Drain.
    So why should we use our Stacks on Energy Drain when there are other abilities, like Bane, Lustrate, and Sacred Soil? Granted in emergencies or to use up old stacks for newer ones i can see, but you make it sound like it should be used all the time.
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    Last edited by Eloah; 06-06-2015 at 11:35 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    So why should we use our Stacks on Energy Drain when there are other abilities, like Bane, Lustrate, and Sacred Soil? Granted in emergencies or to use up old stacks for newer ones i can see, but you make it sound like it should be used all the time.
    Bane = AoE only. Useful mostly for dungeon trash and the odd add phase.

    Lustrate = Not often needed unless you plan on healing a big hit through CS or are correcting someone else's mistake.

    Sacred Soil = Tantamount to useless outside of raid content or as part of a multi-layer defense to try to save the Brink of Death/Vulnerability-debuffed players from telegraphed, hard-hitting mechanics. I can't remember the last time I felt the need to spend a stack on Sacred Soil in a dungeon.

    Energy Drain = More damage is pretty much always a win.
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