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  1. #11
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    Tranquil's Avatar
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    Rin Shiraishi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yona87 View Post
    Well the current "sch dps while whm heal" meta will shift soon I believe. WHMs are definitely going to be doing good heals/dps this time around as long as they fix how acc will scale with gear in 3.0.
    If they do fix the accuracy scaling to be different from how it is now for the coils and endgame stuff - then sure, the new WHM abilities will be good. This is also assuming said spells are not as MP-expensive as WHM skills are now, in proportion. Currently WHM does not only suffer from accuracy issues without melding/customization galore, but their damage-dealing spells are really expensive over time compared to the SCH's (especially with their MP-regen tools also in mind).

    I do hope that WHMs will be able to DPS more come the expansion, especially with that new instant-heal making their Cleric-fluidity slightly better. Still, it's SE, so I wouldn't be wildly surprised if there were issues with this design in endgame content.
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  2. #12
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    Shinonome Sanada
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    One can always hope that Cleric Stance gives a boost to accuracy! As far as I know, tanks are getting a 15% accuracy increase with their tanking stances (nothing on glorious DPS stances, though) in Heavensward. On the other hand, I'd imagine that Squeenix likely aren't balancing encounters around healers attacking, so they might consider it unnecessary.

    Perhaps a trait to replace Proshell, seeing as Proshell is becoming the default for all healers?
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  3. #13
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    Lucidia Dreamweaver
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    For WHM,

    MP should be less of an issue in 3.0, assuming oGCD skills like in 2.X, does not cost any MP.
    This basically means rather than 1 0 MP heal (Benediction), WHMs are getting Assize, Asylum, and Tetrasomethingtron - 3 additional oGCD 0 MP cost healing spells.

    My main concern is whether WHM's new shiny DPS skills are any viable in raid content due to the accuracy barrier.

    Joke:
    Maybe SE will just say screw ya all and go "3.0 - Fixed a bug where spells that has no initial potency cannot miss".
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  4. #14
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    Yunan Cha
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    For WHM,

    MP should be less of an issue in 3.0, assuming oGCD skills like in 2.X, does not cost any MP.
    This basically means rather than 1 0 MP heal (Benediction), WHMs are getting Assize, Asylum, and Tetrasomethingtron - 3 additional oGCD 0 MP cost healing spells.
    Edit: Nevermind, mixed off global cooldown and on global cooldown together by accident :\ .
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    Last edited by Zanhe; 06-02-2015 at 04:40 AM.

  5. #15
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    Yomiko Readman
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    Since SCH gets all the DPS from the ACN class, I doubt it.

    If they were to add new spell for SCH, I think it would be the same as Holy in sense it's an aoe. But I doubt it.
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  6. #16
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    Rin Shiraishi
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    Quote Originally Posted by elemental10 View Post
    Since SCH gets all the DPS from the ACN class, I doubt it.

    If they were to add new spell for SCH, I think it would be the same as Holy in sense it's an aoe. But I doubt it.
    Doubt what? They already confirmed SCH will get a new offensive spell.

    This is what an article had to say:

    さらに今回は学者専用の攻撃魔法も追加される。威力はそれほど高くないが学者には貴重な攻撃源となる。

    "In addition, a Scholar-specific offensive spell will also be included. Even though its power will not be that high, it will still serve as a precious source of offensive power for the Scholar."

    Source: http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...26_703030.html

    I think it was also included in one of those BG translations. Edit: Here it is.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanhe View Post
    I think it would be safer to assume they DO cost mp than they don't.
    That would mean it would be on GCD. Currently there are no MP-free spells on the GCD. Imagine the consequences of that.

    Spammeable Assize? Why have Holy then.
    Spammeable Insta-heal? REALLY?
    Spammeable Asylum? Medica II will be useless then.

    It is far more likely they are oGCD, and if so, they will be free. There are currently no oGCD abilities that use TP OR MP. Could that change with 3.0? Perhaps. But most likely not.
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  8. #18
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    Thank you tjw for elaborating for me, was feeling lazy/not sure how to explain it clearer in a short and sweet manner (I'm bad at summaries )
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    Nutritious Delicious
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    White Mage Lv 54
    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    So we know White Mages are getting Aero 3, Stone 3, a move that heals and does damage at the same time, and maybe another damaging move, so in total 3-4 new damaging moves. That means they will have: Aero 1, 2, & 3, Stone 1, 2, & 3, Fluid Aura, Holy, Unnamed Healing/Damaging move, and other possible move, for a total of 9-10 moves, with no cross class skills.

    Now all of the new moves shown for Scholar were supportive in nature, so that leaves their move count at: Bio 1 & 2, Miasma 1 & 2, Ruin 1 & 2, and Shadow Flare, for a total of 7 moves, with no cross class skills.
    You forgot Bane and Energy Drain on that list.

    So you are really looking at 9 - 9 if you don't include 'Other Possible move'

    White Mage is just catching up.

    Granted Scholars don't have a spammable 200 Potency AOE. Though Dots + Bane + Shadowflare....
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    Last edited by Causality; 06-01-2015 at 12:40 PM.

  10. #20
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    *Spell Speed being adjusted

    If they adjust lot spell speed and skill speed then selene will be lot more powerfull than what it is now.
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