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[ShinryuReishiki]

I really don't understand this BLM>SMN mindset. I have never seen a single fight where a BLM completely outstrips a SMN, not even T4 where it's basically all AoE.

It comes from early Final Coil progression. Before the cost reduction to Ruin, there was a significant gap between the two simply due to SMN having to play very conservatively in order not to run out of MP before a fight was even halfway done. Now the gap is much, much smaller, but still present.

Besides, find me some videos of SMNs doing 550+ on T10 and 11 pre-nerf.

http://www.twitch.tv/rubykid15/profile

[Skeith-Adeline]

http://www.twitch.tv/rubykid15/profile

All I see on his highlights are post nerf. I said pre-nerf lol. Good BLMs will hit 610s with the nerfs on T10 now a days anyways.

[Havenchild]

All I see on his highlights are post nerf. I said pre-nerf lol. Good BLMs will hit 610s with the nerfs on T10 now a days anyways.

I've hit 611 with 10% on both T10 and T11 if we mean after Echo was added.
Also for proof, pre echo - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=523986353. This thread was more or less never updated pass Echo additions and the only way you could get a number post echo if you cared to, was if you had video proof or the owner of the spreadsheet accompanied you on the run, neither of which I needed to do.

I've been doing that damage ever since the Ruin MP change.

Idk why people are referring to pre-nerf. Nothing was nerfed in the T10 or T11 boss fights, only the adds prior to the boss encounters and echo added and since they didn't do mechanic nerfs to any fights, runs with disabled Echo are still viable to judge DPS.

The only change that greatly increased a SMNs DPS, was the Ruin MP change which formerly limited us in all encounters. Post that change though? SMNs easily can do great damage and can challenge BLMs.

[Waliel]

I discounted flare because you do not flare too often outside of a bursty type of scenario, and Enkindle with pet buffs up is probably the strongest burst attack in the game. Similarly, I also discounted pet AoE, as the pets all have a low CD aoe they can use as well.

You Flare every time it hits two or more targets.

No it's not, the highest I've seen enkindle hit is about 2400 and that is with all buffs and with BIS

A Flare non buffed hits for about 3000. I would even say with one stack of atral fie 1 a flare is stronger.

Yeah, not. Going from the top of my head, non-echo, non-buffed Flare in AF3 hits around 1700-1800.