The Other Side of The (Raid) Force

[Malevicton]

Why should this be different from other games? You can't see the ending of Mass Effect without beating the game, you can't see the final ffvii scene if you don't beat sephiroth...

The coil fights themselves are part of the story. The cutscenes are what happen after the fight. Why should you see the postfight cutscene of a fight you didn't participate in?

I feel for you if you can't beat it and all, but I don't see why people think this is a unique problem to MMOs or to ffxiv. You have to do content to get the story in pretty much every video game ever.

[Kathryn]

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Fair argument but where story is concerned everyone should be able to see it ESPECIALLY when they pay the same sub fee as everyone else and the difference you spoke about between this game and Mass Effect etc is those games are designed to be completed by 1 player and diffeculty in single player games is very scaled to be beatable, an mmo requires a party, Have you tried getting a party for things like T9 at the moment? It's impossible I've been trying for 2 weeks since i returned to the game from radiation therapy and now I will have to wait until after Heavensward and hope I can convince people to help me breeze through it with overpowered gear just so i can see those aspects of the story I am missing.

[VarinaVashai]

Fair argument but where story is concerned everyone should be able to see it ESPECIALLY when they pay the same sub fee as everyone else.

I dont see why money always gets involved in this discussion, its a poor argument for why you should be able to see all content just like that. You pay the subscription to play the game, you put your efforts and hard work into experiencing the content. Some of the content is easier to complete while the rest is more challenging.

To make all content easily accesable the desire to see said content goes down. And your own desires, diminishes the experience to the individuals that enjoys challenging content. Just accept that there are content for all sides, appreciate what you can. And keep trying for what you have still to achive.

But dont bring money as a reason as to why you feel entitled to do all content at a whim.

[Kathryn]

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I was not bringing it into the argument as some sort of self entitlement I was just making him aware we all should have the same right to see story content it should not be locked out and there are many other ways for making challenging content for all those other players out there who want to do it for their loot.

[VarinaVashai]

I was not bringing it into the argument as some sort of self entitlement I was just making him aware we all should have the same right to see story content it should not be locked out and there are many other ways for making challenging content for all those other players out there who want to do it for their loot.

We all have the same right to see the content, and its gated behind challenge. Story involved or not, if you choose that the content is out of your reach it still doesnt prevent you from trying to unlock the story. I myself have not completed coil, i do want to see it. But paying a subscription is not reason enough as to why i should be allowed to, i need to get there with a party of likeminded individuals that want to push beyond the challenge and unlock the reward.

And in regards to creating challenging content with only loot as the reward is shallow worthless content. In my opinion atleast.

[Kathryn]

And in regards to creating challenging content with only loot as the reward is shallow worthless content. In my opinion atleast.

Which is what you'll find 99% of raiders care about is the looting and looking their best, and again it's an issue from ARR that's being resolved in Heavensward, The Raider's will get their shiny loot from Savage and people who want to see the story progression will get to see it.

[VarinaVashai]

Which is what you'll find 99% of raiders care about is the looting and looking their best, and again it's an issue from ARR that's being resolved in Heavensward, The Raider's will get their shiny loot from Savage and people who want to see the story progression will get to see it.

While i am unable to verify or challenge your claim of 99%, i would certainly hope that there are more then 1% of the community that appreciate the rewards of achivment alongside your friends more then the loot. Or breezing trough storymode. Atleast there was more appreciation for adventure with your companions in the older mmos, and what little spirit remains in the modern mmo model. I sure hope they wont crush it all, for the sake of imagined convenience and entitelment.

[RiceisNice]

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The Challenge in this regard is misplaced at best, similar to SoF. You need to find 7 other people who wants to do content that is either old or they otherwise have no incentive to do, especially at this point of the game (where BCoB is more than a year old and T5 remains one of those fights where one person can wipe the party due to mispositioning.) I'm not sure how it is on other servers, but PF for T5 and T9 are absolutely dead unless it's a sale run or someone is looking to buy one.

[Malevicton]

I was not bringing it into the argument as some sort of self entitlement I was just making him aware we all should have the same right to see story content it should not be locked out and there are many other ways for making challenging content for all those other players out there who want to do it for their loot.

We all do have the same right to story content anyways. We have to fight the same encounters for the same rewards. If people got the rewards without the encounter then we wouldn't have the same right to story content. At that point you would actually have a distinct advantage over the people who are playing the game.

You pay the same sub fee as me, yeah. And I paid the same amount for mass effect as everyone else. I still had to actually, yknow, play the game to get to the ending. If you're looking for an interactive story experience you could look into that genre (stuff like the walking dead games). There's an appeal to that. But that's not what this game is supposed to be. The gameplay and story are intended to be tied together.

I still don't see how this seperates ffxiv from the rest of the gaming industry. Other than the games that are specifically marketed as being more storytelling-esque, games have always worked this way and for a lot of people that's the appeal. If you wanna just watch a cool story with no pressure on you to progress it, then watch tv or a movie, or play games in that genre. Complaining about story being behind gameplay in an rpg is like complaining that there's no first-person shooter mode in an rts game. It's kind of on you at that point for playing the wrong game.

[Kathryn]

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Again you are bringing a completely different gaming model into the discussion so let me quote the important words so you understand "Single Player" games are "Designed" to be "Beaten Alone" to get the full story, While in an mmo locking "Story" behind "Raiding Content" is a bad move which is why it's being "Corrected in Heavensward" SE realise doing what they did with Coil was a mistake and they are adjusting the new content so "Everyone" can experience their story. The only issue that stands at the moment is a lot of people new to the game and with real life commitments *I apologise suffering with illness I really do* dont get to see Coil's story unless they PAY a FC a rediculous amount of Gil *60m on my server Ragnarok* for a group willing to go.

And trust me I have most likely been playing FFXIV and other games a lot longer than you so I know what games are not for me.

Who are you o soy if my comment is unwanted or not? Forum police?
I know that the OP didn't want gear, he said it in his post
I just commented about my concern about easy modes and gear. I didn't say no to an easy mode

I apologise I reread you post and realise I read it wrong due to wording I'm sorry, But they have alrdy stated in hHeavensward we will get gear for Normal mode but Savage mode gear will be of a higher ilvl and stats to show commitment to those raids.

That's my bad, sorry for my bad wording, I am not a native speaker >.<
Do you know if SE said something about the one loot per week? Will it be shared or you will be able to loot once in each difficulty?

I have no idea on drop limits at first I will assume it's like WoD was and get lifted in time other than that I know Alexander Normal will come out 2 weeks from launch of HW then 2 weeks later Savage mode will be introduced.

Hit by the Daily post limit so I cannot enjoy this discussion no more http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-beware%21-XD