RIP WHM/SCH

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I was wondering.

New action: Emergency Tactics
Instead of adding a barrier effect to Adloquium, this action will give addition healing power for the amount of the effect of the barrier.

This basically makes an Adlo a worse Cure II. What's the point?

[desufin]

I was wondering.

New action: Emergency Tactics
Instead of adding a barrier effect to Adloquium, this action will give addition healing power for the amount of the effect of the barrier.

This basically makes an Adlo a worse Cure II. What's the point?

Actually I think it's a great addition to have on SCH because Adlo in general on non-crit IS worse than Cure II. Not to mention as SCH is right now, whenever heavy healing is needed, SCH are forced into using Lustrate in combination with their healing which can be dangerous from a progression prospect and making Adlo able to sub as a near Cure II like spell is a good substitute.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Actually I think it's a great addition to have on SCH because Adlo in general on non-crit IS worse than Cure II. Not to mention as SCH is right now, whenever heavy healing is needed, SCH are forced into using Lustrate in combination with their healing which can be dangerous from a progression prospect and making Adlo able to sub as a near Cure II like spell is a good substitute.

Adlo per se is already worse than Cure II in terms of raw potency. However, the shield part of Adlo pretty much guarantees zero overhealing. This new skill will just convert the shield part to healing, nothing more. I fail to see how this would be useful in ANY situation. Shield IS basically a heal, with the difference that it cannot overheal.

[desufin]

Adlo per se is already worse than Cure II in terms of raw potency. However, the shield part of Adlo pretty much guarantees zero overhealing. This new skill will just convert the shield part to healing, nothing more. I fail to see how this would be useful in ANY situation. Shield IS basically a heal, with the difference that it cannot overheal.

I even gave you a situation where it's good. Adlo is nice for preventive damage but it's absolutely awful for actual recovery after a big hit or in chain of big hits. SCH always resort to Physick and Lustrate in those situations, making Adlo able to heal for more at the cost of losing its shield makes them able to weave that in occasionally instead of having to use Aetherflow charges on Lustrate. It makes very much sense and will be incredibly useful for progression.

They even pointed out that the SCH changes and new abilities isn't going to help them all that much in light party content and mostly only in endgame 8man content, this Adlo option is one of those things.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I even gave you a situation where it's good. Adlo is nice for preventive damage but it's absolutely awful for actual recovery after a big hit or in chain of big hits. SCH always resort to Physick and Lustrate in those situations, making Adlo able to heal for more at the cost of losing its shield makes them able to weave that in occasionally instead of having to use Aetherflow charges on Lustrate. It makes very much sense and will be incredibly useful for progression.

They even pointed out that the SCH changes and new abilities isn't going to help them all that much in light party content and mostly only in endgame 8man content, this Adlo option is one of those things.

Yeah, but why not just have a WHM do that instead? What will happen is they will use their big heal when you use yours and nothing will happen (due to overheal). A scholar is better at sustained healing, not big heals and regens. With WHMs having 2 regens now they will probably be a lot better.

Turning Adlo into a HUGE shield, I could see that and would LOVE that. But a big heal? Why? Just play WHM.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I even gave you a situation where it's good. Adlo is nice for preventive damage but it's absolutely awful for actual recovery after a big hit or in chain of big hits. SCH always resort to Physick and Lustrate in those situations, making Adlo able to heal for more at the cost of losing its shield makes them able to weave that in occasionally instead of having to use Aetherflow charges on Lustrate. It makes very much sense and will be incredibly useful for progression.

They even pointed out that the SCH changes and new abilities isn't going to help them all that much in light party content and mostly only in endgame 8man content, this Adlo option is one of those things.

I still don't see the point, sorry. "Healing up" or "Shielding up" is basically the same thing. More shield means more HP - it is LITERALLY the same thing as healing more, with the advantage that you can safely overheal with it.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I still don't see the point, sorry. "Healing up" or "Shielding up" is basically the same thing. More shield means more HP - it is LITERALLY the same thing as healing more, with the advantage that you can safely overheal with it.

More Max HP is amazing, the reason it is useful is because Scholar and White Mage using a big heal at the same time, which they will means that nothing will happen because they overhealed too much. Meanwhile the scholar could of been keeping up its better sustained healing.

People GREATLY underestimate how awesome max HP is.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

More Max HP is amazing, the reason it is useful is because Scholar and White Mage using a big heal at the same time, which they will means that nothing will happen because they overhealed too much. Meanwhile the scholar could of been keeping up its better sustained healing.

People GREATLY underestimate how awesome max HP is.

Dude, I agree with you. Not sure why you are quoting me :P

[desufin]

Yeah, but why not just have a WHM do that instead? What will happen is they will use their big heal when you use yours and nothing will happen (due to overheal). A scholar is better at sustained healing, not big heals and regens. With WHMs having 2 regens now they will probably be a lot better.

Turning Adlo into a HUGE shield, I could see that and would LOVE that. But a big heal? Why? Just play WHM.

What if you are solo-healing? Or there is mechanics that ignore Galvanize/Stoneskin similar to Convert? Or what if there are mechanics that work based on current HP % where lower HP means bad things?

I still don't see the point, sorry. "Healing up" or "Shielding up" is basically the same thing. More shield means more HP - it is LITERALLY the same thing as healing more, with the advantage that you can safely overheal with it.

Raw Healing and Shield Healing are NOT the same. They are drastically different and have different uses. Adloquium and Succor often suffer greatly for having half their potency tied to the shield (more on Succor than Adlo because of the crit effect on Adlo) but being able to OPTIONALLY turn Adloquium into a stronger raw means you can heal heavy damage more reliably without having to resort to weaving in Lustrate and use up excessive Aetherflow charges you might want to use on something else such as Sacred Soil and Energy Drain or even Bane (or maybe whatever else they'll add that consumes Aetherflow).
Saying "WHM/AST can do it" is just really dumb, then you may as well just accept that people rather take WHM+AST in their compositions because SCH are too stubborn to utilize a good optional tool "because the other healer can do it".

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Raw Healing and Shield Healing are NOT the same.

Of course they are not. Shield healing is pretty much always better. If you are sitting at 2000hp + 1200 shield on you, it is EXACTLY the same as having 3200hp with no shield - with Shield having the advantage of raising your max HP potentially into infinite.

I guess the concept would be clearer if life bars showed the shield portion on top of people's HP.