Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[h0tNstilettos]

I agree. I get tired of all the difficulty nerfing. Most of the non-coil non-extreme content in this game is already easier than your typical MMO. But if they insist on nerfing everything, at least wait 3 to 6 months. But it's better to not nerf them at all for the reasons of players needing to get better, plus players late doing the content, whether new to game or whatever reason, might like a challenge too. I've been playing since beta, and due to being occupied with other aspects of game and getting those things caught up, by the time I get going on coil and other things they were nerfed already, which disappointed me because then I don't feel like my clear is as worthy. Luckily for me I was able to do Steps of Faith just a few days before it was nerfed.

[Osias_Qol]

Locking the expansion behind a gimmick fight pretty much means that they have to make it so a 2 year old playing with no limbs can beat it.

For better or worse that was the choice SE made by linking access to the expansion (that even the worst player in the world needs to have access to) with the main story of 2.X...

In general, ARR was redesigned around the goal of getting out of the niche market and being more mainstream. This basically means the game is designed to be fun for inexperienced and bad players (the mainstream) with a bit of harder content sprinkled in to keep the better players interested.

It is silly to equate how they treat the story with how they treat raids because they are designed with different audiences in mind.

Many of us would love to see more challenging content added into the game. I think or rather hope eventually we will start seeing a wider range. For now we just need to make the most of what we have been given or move on.

[Goodberry]

I think you are using the word casual for bad...

When I use words like "bad" in the context of playing a game, I'm always being sarcastic, and the target of my sarcasm is the overuse that even borderline elitist players like to do of it.
I'll never ever call another player "bad" simply because (in my perception) they fail at some aspect of the game.
Calling other players "bad" is not only insulting, it's arrogant. It means you consider yourself "good", always by your own standards of course.
The only really "bad" players, in my book, are those who behave like jerks. I.e., not like bad players, but like bad people.

[Cidel]

This is never going to get resolved. This whole ridiculous "issue" will just have to blow over and be forgotten much like the backlash Echo got when it was brought into BCOB.

Mostly because neither side is agreeing to argue about the same thing.

Those fine/happy about the nerf are saying how this is story content as a prerequisite to even enjoy the upcoming expansion (let alone end of 2.0's story arc) and how many "veteran" (read: impatient) players bail upon encountering this in roulette due to its difficulty in comparison to anything else.

Those upset about the nerf are either mad that this trial doesn't weed players out anymore, feel like the devs will continue to nerf everything to the ground, want the devs to adjust their content in ways that don't hurt egos.


At this point just drop it (especially if you are done with this trial and haven't been back since).

[Remilia_Nightfall]

stuff

And this is why I said that defining "casual" and "hardcore" is complicated.

I am tired of hearing people saying "We work for a living, we don't spend all days of the week playing games, we have a life, THUS we are casuals".
This is wrong on so many levels, mainly on the fact that you are implying all "progression" statics who define themselves "hardcore" don't "work for a living" and "play all days of the week". This is simply a misconception at best, and a childish excuse at worst.

No matter how many hours you put into something, a bad player remains a bad player. Do not misunderstand: experience in an encounter is CRUCIAL, but it is not all. Awareness, hand-eye coordination, quick thinking, reflexes, knowledge of your job and skill of your raid leader are all factors that cannot be ignored.

Nothing is black and white - there are plenty of grey areas inbetween, and plenty of playstyles.
In the end it does not matter which label you believe fits for you - it all boils down to this:

Either you have the commitment to be good at something, or you don't.

No matter if you play 24/24 7/7 or just a few hours a week. What matters is what you aim to achieve while playing, and what your priorities are. Also not being technologically impaired helps quite a bit.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They could make a new steps of faith that was fighting a different dragon with similar difficulty to the old one, that doesn't require the main story. It can also actually give loot appropriate to the fight.

Loot + A Dragon Mount!

[Velox]

On a semi-related note, it surprises me how many people don't know that the Echo is 100% optional in Coil. The reason they nerf the first few turns in each set is to make getting gear easier to conquer the last turn, which remains untouched to keep the difficulty. Let's face it though, regardless whether or not the previous turns were nerfed, if you can beat the last one in each set, you have the skill to beat the other 3 when they were untouched anyway. It's not a big deal. "But Velox, the Echo makes it easier." You can turn OFF the Echo just by right-clicking on the buff icon (no idea how it's done in ps3/4). It's no different than any other personal buff. This means you can enter t13 at this very moment, turn off your Echo buff and just like that you're fighting t13 the same way people were doing it day 1!

[Amiraa]

People like that crying for nerf content such as step of faith lol need to stop playing mmo , play offline better and use game shark to make life easy on u.
This is why I stopped caring for raid content coz it will be nerfed to please people what's so fun about it ?? I don't feel any sense of accomplishment at all with non stop nerf updates.

[SDaemon]

People like that crying for nerf content such as step of faith lol need to stop playing mmo , play offline better and use game shark to make life easy on u.
This is why I stopped caring for raid content coz it will be nerfed to please people what's so fun about it ?? I don't feel any sense of accomplishment at all with non stop nerf updates.

[Amiraa]

Sniff sorry so broken engrish to please u just nerf me