Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[Iromi]

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I think you are using the word casual for bad.

I can use my bf as an example. His playtimes are 'casual' meaning he is a full time student with not much playtime. He has over 50m Gil, all Lucis tools, cleared the coils, has zeta weapon, etc. People just have poor time management skills or are bad players.

How is it that he has hardly any playtime and yet has 'accomplished' more then those who complain about the game who have all the free time in the world? He also runs our fc and organizes statics...all while going to a very demanding school. I am so tried of the "I dont have time to play and do things so the game should bend to my needs' mentality.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I think you are using the word casual for bad.

I can use my bf as an example. His playtimes are 'casual' meaning he is a full time student with not much playtime. He has over 50m Gil, all Lucis tools, cleared the coils, has zeta weapon, etc. People just have poor time management skills or are bad players.

How is it that he has hardly any playtime and yet has 'accomplished' more then those who complain about the game who have all the free time in the world? He also runs our fc and organizes statics...all while going to a very demanding school. I am so tried of the "I dont have time to play and do things so the game should bend to my needs' mentality.

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

The generally accepted definition is the following:

Casuals don't raid endgame content in a static. As a consequence they rely on nerfs and/or carries to clear what otherwise it would be impossible for them.

If your bf is in a static raiding at specific times tackling the endgame of each given content update, he is not a casual - no matter how much he plays in terms of number of hours.

[Maero]

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

The generally accepted definition is the following:

Casuals don't raid endgame content in a static. As a consequence they rely on nerfs and/or carries to clear what otherwise it would be impossible for them.

I disagree, sorry
Casual can also mean those who actually work for a living and don't spend all days of the week playing FFXIV and raiding.
Our FC can be considered casual, but we do raid twice a week we just do not have the time that others have.
I would not 100% say that "hardcore" are those who have completed coil and such before nerfs, most likely they just have had more time on their hands.
Nerfs on the other hand only happen because of those that want gear and such but do not bother learning fights. Like this recent sof nerf, the very first day of patch that it was introduced people were complaining on the difficulty when it actually is not hard at all. Ak was nerfed like what 3 times because of such players and Quarn and other dungeons as well. It is sad to be honest.

[Dragoon4life]

Money DUH! Stuff gets nerfed, because they want players to keep playing. More playing = Money. as far as challenge the stuff that's supposed to be hard is still hard. EX Primals and Coils. there's still a ton stuck on Turn 5 and don't get me started on how many are stuck on T9. those that need the nerf aren't hurting high end game raiding. like all MMOs there a business. more players = more money = a healthy game = which leads into new content.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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And this is why I said that defining "casual" and "hardcore" is complicated.

I am tired of hearing people saying "We work for a living, we don't spend all days of the week playing games, we have a life, THUS we are casuals".
This is wrong on so many levels, mainly on the fact that you are implying all "progression" statics who define themselves "hardcore" don't "work for a living" and "play all days of the week". This is simply a misconception at best, and a childish excuse at worst.

No matter how many hours you put into something, a bad player remains a bad player. Do not misunderstand: experience in an encounter is CRUCIAL, but it is not all. Awareness, hand-eye coordination, quick thinking, reflexes, knowledge of your job and skill of your raid leader are all factors that cannot be ignored.

Nothing is black and white - there are plenty of grey areas inbetween, and plenty of playstyles.
In the end it does not matter which label you believe fits for you - it all boils down to this:

Either you have the commitment to be good at something, or you don't.

No matter if you play 24/24 7/7 or just a few hours a week. What matters is what you aim to achieve while playing, and what your priorities are. Also not being technologically impaired helps quite a bit.

[Iromi]

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

The generally accepted definition is the following:

Casuals don't raid endgame content in a static. As a consequence they rely on nerfs and/or carries to clear what otherwise it would be impossible for them.

If your bf is in a static raiding at specific times tackling the endgame of each given content update, he is not a casual - no matter how much he plays in terms of number of hours.

Nope, he does not have a static.

And who are you to say that the challenge/titles itself isn't worth someone's time? Welcome to the real world.

The fact that SE themselves said that no one is doing savage like they expected should speak for itself. As for me, personally, I will play anything regardless of its reward at least once, because its fun. To me, a game is about having fun. I am speaking about what SE said when they brought it up in the live letter. I'll believe them over anyone else , as they have access to data, clears, and how many times people attempt something. So that, is who I am to say that.

[SDaemon]

The fact that SE themselves said that no one is doing savage like they expected should speak for itself. As for me, personally, I will play anything regardless of its reward at least once, because its fun. To me, a game is about having fun. I am speaking about what SE said when they brought it up in the live letter. I'll believe them over anyone else , as they have access to data, clears, and how many times people attempt something. So that, is who I am to say that.

Speaks for itself? Hardly. If no one at all, like you claim, enjoyed a challenge for the sake of a challenge/titles then no one would have cleared Savage Coil. Players have done Savage Coil, that can't be denied. That right there throws your statement out the window.

How many players do is another matter, but this: "Not sure what world you live in...but people are not going to do something like that that offers no reward at all, because guess what? No one is going to waste their time for something that is not beneficial to their time." is hogwash.

[Havenae]

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

Says terms are hard to define.
Then tries to define them absolutely anyway...

Casual and Hardcore aren't even opposite terminologies. But casual isn't hard to define. Its a matter of available playtime, that's it. It was a phrase coined to designate players who did not have either the desire or the available time to grind (whatever) It has zero bearing in level of 'skill' or ability to comprehend and successfully coimplete game mechanics and content.

Hardcore on the other hand has multiple meanings depending on it's setting, none of which have anything to do with it being the counter point of 'casual'. In some instances it's a matter of severity in game systems such as PvP. Permadeath scenarios are also considered for 'hardcore players' in some instances. Then there are the hardcore players that are all about taking on the absolute toughest content available for the challenge.

The two are not in any sense however extreme opposite ideologies used as adjectives to describe a player. Simply because there are in fact hardcore casual players as well.

[Tuathaa]

Permadeath scenarios are also considered for 'hardcore players' in some instances.

People complaining about how easy the game is or there is no challenge they should attempt playing the game dead is dead.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Says terms are hard to define.
Then tries to define them absolutely anyway...

I said it is hard, not impossible.

Also, thanks for your opinion concerning those terms.