Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

Entitled players, please stop being entitled?

That's essentially what my OP is saying and what my posts throughout the thread are saying, despite the title's seeming otherwise.

In this situation, which mobs to be pulled was the disagreement. A tie in wishes ensued. The DPS and healer attempted to step out of their roles to forcefully receive their demands and ignore compromise by the DPS pulling mobs and the healer refusing to heal, while the tank (me) offered compromise and was rudely told no, and decided to continue doing my job.

It's not entitled or asking special privileges to do your job in the face of a deadlock if compromise is offered. It is however entitled to try to take over someone else's job or refuse to do your job to get what you want.

Just reminding folks of that

[Hiruke]

That's essentially what my OP is saying and what my posts throughout the thread are saying, despite the title's seeming otherwise.

Probably should have written it and titled it differently then, right?

[Adire]

Probably should have written it and titled it differently then, right?

Yep! As I've said before though, title editing is not possible. I also did not have the benefit of hindsight at the time.

And I possibly expected too much that people would value the content of my posts over the cover of the book. First impressions are important of course though, and I'd edit the title if I could.

Just because of what the "main class" says on the forum? I tank lots of dungeons, as I implied in my prior post if I'm remembering right. OP is basically saying dps shouldn't be entitled, only tanks can be entitled, and that's kind of a jerk way of looking at it. I think everyone should try to get along. If someone in the party is a jerk, that's on them, not their role. There are lots of jerks from each role, because the players are still people, and people are jerks.

Edit: Also, it's not asking for special privileges if a tank pulls or decides how to pull in a tie with no compromise as they are simply doing their job. It is asking special privileges however if a DPS pulls and a healer threatens to not heal if the tank doesn't submit to their demands.

I also do not condone tanks ignoring the majority or saying no to people who ask for clears like decent human beings, as mentioned in my OP and throughout the thread.

I'm not "basically saying DPS can't be entitled while tanks can be". You are misunderstanding or misreading if you think so. What I am saying is that you should treat people with respect, especially if you want something, and you should let tanks do their jobs, especially if no one can agree on anything.

[TetsuyaHikari]

Yep! As I've said before though, title editing is not possible. I also did not have the benefit of hindsight at the time.

And I possibly expected too much that people would value the content of my posts over the cover of the book. First impressions are important of course though, and I'd edit the title if I could.

Oh, don't worry. I read the book. I just didn't think it was a best seller, that's all.

While you have good intentions (as shown in your opening statement), you don't exactly convey that well through your choice of words. A lot of the remarks you made really sounded more like backhanded comments to entitled players which would be all well and good, if you, yourself, didn't make it look like you were one too, given your pretentious and/or holier than thou attitude.

tl;dr: OP thinks they are right and everyone who disagrees is wrong, even though opinions aren't supposed to be right or wrong.

[Adire]

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I don't think that me thinking that tanks should make the call during a tie without compromise and acknowledging that they should be servants of the majority is holier than thou or pretentious, but okay. I don't think that defending myself against people who are wrongly making me out to be an awful person or misunderstanding me makes me either of those either, but okay. All I'm stressing is that DPS (and healers) should leave the tanking decisions up to the tank if no consensus can be found.

If people want to believe healers and DPS have as much right to break the tie by pulling and refusing to heal instead of tanks having the right to do their intended job, that's fine. I am not of that camp personally, and do not understand it, but each to their own. We'll see how the community becomes if this opinion is adopted by the majority.

I'd also like to see what special privileges I'm asking for to make me entitled. Asking that everyone do their jobs if we can't make a decision, yet being willing to compromise and do as asked if asked with respect does not make me entitled I think...

I've grown tired of responding to overly hostile and assumptive judgments about my character, so I'll just stop with what I said there. Sucks that this civility didn't last long before it descended back into blind character judgments.

[TetsuyaHikari]

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I don't think you seem to grasp the entire situation, but okay. You say you're not entitled and constantly call out other people for being entitled while showing repeated signs of being a hypocrite, but okay.

One thing we both can agree on though is I've grown tired of responding and I'll just stop with what I said there.

[Adire]

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Mocking what I say now, eh? That's really unbecoming of someone calling others out on supposedly being "pretentious".

I also haven't called out anyone particular on this thread for being entitled and have said repeatedly that if I am a DPS or healer, I still give the tank the final say on things and ask nicely if I want them to do something. And I've responded fairly to people who disagree with me if it's clear they've read and understood what happened in the situation. And I've admitted that if given the chance, I'd go back and handle the situation a little differently despite not being the aggressor and being the only one to attempt compromise. I guess being a decent person means you're entitled nowadays, huh

Oh well, hope you have a nice day