Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Fynlar]

While the story and post edits are ever changing, at least there has been one constant throughout this thread..

In fairness, a lot of people here REALLY don't read the posts.

[Skivvy]

In fairness, a lot of people here REALLY don't read the posts.

At the time when I was actually invested in this thread, I had been keeping up with all current posts, and I was told by the OP at least 2-3 times that I obviously didn't read anything. I found it amusing. Don't like what someone has to say? Accuse them of not reading!

[ThanMazus]

At the time when I was actually invested in this thread, I had been keeping up with all current posts, and I was told by the OP at least 2-3 times that I obviously didn't read anything. I found it amusing. Don't like what someone has to say? Accuse them of not reading!

Don't forget that if they agreed though, they were calm, rational, and other such positive things. You were only not reading if you disagreed.

[Adire]

You could have taken the high road here, but instead this was your reaction:



Congrats on being a jerk. Perhaps the person doesn't play on a PC and has a difficult time typing out flowery requests to the tank? Why not try giving people the benefit of the doubt before turning into the bad rebel that you are?

This was your first post.

If you had read this bit:

Immediately upon the dungeon starting, I get this from a dps:

"no skipping anything"

Or this bit:

"no skipping anything" - said by the one dps upon the dungeon starting

"i only have one aoe, so thank you and goodbye" - said by the dps upon being asked to aoe the mobs he wanted exp from, after being asked by our side as a compromise

"if you don't pull extra mobs, i will and the healer will let you die"

Does this sound like a compromising attitude to you? The very first thing anyone said, as soon as the barrier went down at the start, was the first thing I quoted for you.

Why did you say that "maybe the person doesn't play on a PC and has a difficult time typing out flowery requests to the tank?"

If you had read the posts from me that I quoted, you would or should have known that if he had time/ability to post that much of a sentence that quickly, he should have time to "type out a flowery request to the tank". Adding in please doesn't take that long and isn't excessively "flowery"...I'd like to think I'm worth speaking to as a human in any case. Having all that typed before the healer had even begun to buff everyone shows he had the ability to type a decent sentence instead of a caveman one.

Being a slow typer doesn't excuse you from common decency when you have the time to sit idle, but not add in "please" to "no skipping anything".

I also don't understand why you would think I was a jerk or not "taking the high road" if you had read that I said I compromised and that I do clears if treated with respect or outvoted, but I'll give your opinion the benefit of the doubt there.

I also don't understand why you think my pulling the first 2 packs of mobs and choosing to decide how to react, instead of running around gathering them all up immediately as he demanded, means I'm a true rebel. I'm only a "rebel" in that I didn't bow to his demands immediately. Is that unreasonable? I'll attribute this to your opinion rather than lack of reading too though.

But you cannot deny the first thing.

And I've already quoted you admitting that you didn't read the OP after its substantial and very noticeable edit.

Don't forget that if they agreed though, they were calm, rational, and other such positive things. You were only not reading if you disagreed.

I have responded to several people who did not entirely agree with what I did but clearly had a good grasp of what occurred, because their post showed that they had indeed read, and I responded to them without mentioning that they should go read. A lot of people really aren't reading...it's clear by some posts. I'm not making that up...

If you want a few examples of people who were in disagreement with what I did, and quotes from me that were not asking them to read, please let me know. I'd be happy to provide them for you. I haven't been repeating myself about what happened in this dungeon so much on this thread just because I like repeating myself after all :P

I've only been saying it to people who truly have given the impression that they haven't read.

[Skivvy]

This was your first post.

If you had read this bit:



Or this bit:




Why did you say that "maybe the person doesn't play on a PC and has a difficult time typing out flowery requests to the tank?"

If you had read the posts from me that I quoted, you would or should have known that if he had time/ability to post that much of a sentence that quickly, he should have time to "type out a flowery request to the tank". Adding in please doesn't take that long and isn't excessively "flowery"...I'd like to think I'm worth speaking to as a human in any case.

I also don't understand why you would think I was a jerk or not "taking the high road" if you had read that I said I compromised and that I do clears if treated with respect or outvoted, but I'll give your opinion the benefit of the doubt there.

I also don't understand why you think my pulling the first 2 packs of mobs and choosing to decide how to react, instead of running around gathering them all up immediately as he demanded, means I'm a true rebel. I'm only a "rebel" in that I didn't bow to his demands immediately. Is that unreasonable? I'll attribute this to your opinion rather than lack of reading too though.

But you cannot deny the first thing.

And I've already quoted you admitting that you didn't read the OP after its substantial and very noticeable edit..

Stop being silly. At the time of my original post, your post was considerably different, and you didn't provide much detail outside of you wanting to be a rebel, so you pulled everything just to spite the other members. So I'm sticking by my comment. As I mentioned, I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt in most situations, and that is why I gave a possible reason why they may not have been able to type out a formal request to you. Perhaps they were just being a jerk, but letting other people bother you at this level really affects yourself. Why not assume they just meant it in a harmless manner and save some stress?

Now, I will give you one point. We're all human, and sometimes we don't react the best. I've been snippy at times with people who may not have deserved it, but I felt bad about it after the fact, and I definitely don't come onto the forums to try and gain sympathy. My biggest issue comes from the fact that you seemed unable to see your part in the whole event (until many, many edits later). Personal responsibility is huge to me.

And again, my response regarding not going back to reread your very first post after 10+ pages (this is 10+ pages based on 30 replies/page, probably many more pages based on default forum settings):

One last thing, then I'm really out. Why on earth would I go back and reference your original post in this thread? You're right. I didn't read it again. Once was enough, and as the conversation continued through multiple pages, and I've been responding to CURRENT comments as they are posted, not ninja edits on a post 10+ pages back. You're seriously grasping at straws with all of this. Have fun!

Let me ask again, as you never gave me an answer. Why would I go back to reference your original post when you were still clearly posting throughout the thread. So no, I did not go back to read your FIRST post in the thread after several days worth of conversation.

[Seiryuukishi]

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I'm not saying OP had no right to be unhappy or even mad. Hell if I were in his/her shoes and knew for a fact that the dps in question had said that demandingly I would have been pissed. The key difference is the way I handle things. The earlier post I made, I made out frustration (toward GenJoe) has now been deleted. Was I wrong to post that even though I know for a fact that was what he was after? Of course. I'm not some savior come to show you all the error of your ways, I'm trying to reason with the people who think kicking and screaming would have been the "wiser" course because the dps started it first. Why is it so hard to talk? OP stated that s/he did try to negotiate after the initial pull and that IS commendable. I just think that if s/he had done so before hand things may not have turned out the way they did. But on the other hand they could have anyway and that is a risk you take when dealing with people you don't know.

I DON'T CARE about WHO did it or WHY, only WHAT can be done by us, the game's community, to quell this sort of thing in the future. As far as "attempting" to be "neutral", as far as you need be concerned, I am Switzerland. Toxicity is something that is just... I'm skipping this because it serves no purpose. You seem to have politeness confused with kowtowing and are very much mistaken. Courtesy will get you a lot farther than anger. Look at the dps to see I am right. His/her anger made him/her not see reason and therefore wound up not getting what s/he was after to begin with only to have to queue again. That in turn left the OP and friend to pick up the pieces, most likely in a very unhappy mood. So NOW do you see it? BOTH of them suffered because of a minor hiccup that could have been talked through at the start.

But I use logic where it isn't wanted. I am certain that I'll be ignored because I didn't "choose" a side, but you all will have to get over it or die from it. I don't pick sides in pointlessness because of exactly that, it's pointless. Life will go on, tanks/dps will continue to hate each other for reasons that a two year old would be dumbstruck by. In the end if you don't like interactions, MMOs are not for you. If you don't like randoms, DF is not for you. If you don't like people, Life is not for you.

[Adire]

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Nice try. In that first quote that was from my OP, I did not edit that sentence at all. It has been there and worded that exact way since I first posted this thread. I don't see why you don't think the OP might change and it might be worth looking at again, but that part wasn't even changed. OP edits happen frequently on forums and is the best way to clarify the OP's opinion without requiring readers to read through an entire thread, but moving on. For the people who don't believe me and want solid proof that I had clarified how quickly the DPS said his first sentence prior to Skivvy's first posting though:

Let's take a look at the second quote. My second quote was first posted on 05-01-2015 at 11:41 PM. It was last edited on 05-01-2015 at 11:49 PM.

Now let's take a look at when your first post was. Your very first post on the topic was on 05-02-2015 at 02:13 AM.

So, are you essentially saying that I went back in time and edited my post because I somehow knew you were going to post on this topic and somehow knew I'd need to change it in order to argue against you? I don't think you are, but that's what would be required here really.

The timestamps aren't supporting you here :P. The second post couldn't have been "considerably different" at the time of your posting because its last edit came before your first post on the thread. Even if you were referring only to the OP being considerably different, my point still stands. Whether you didn't read/understand the OP, or didn't read/understand the second post, either way you missed something. I have since found a third post where I mentioned it after your first post as well.

I felt that you needed to read or at least re-read to understand that the DPS did have time to type out at least "please", and understand that he had no excuse not to. If he had "no skipping anything" typed fast enough to barely even give the cut scene skip screen time to end, he had time to add the simple word "please". There is no excuse why he couldn't have had the time.

And as for your question, I have answered it. On any forum, it's important to check the OP for possible edits every so often if you are involved in the discussion. An OP in part is the thread creator's summarized opinions/purpose of the thread. When a thread gets huge like this one, it becomes even more worthwhile for the thread creator to summarize what they want to say in the OP.

You can really blame the 20 post limit for why I was forced to respond to a lot of people in the OP at the time. You did see my response to you in the OP though, so you must have been watching it some, enough to see my disclaimer I would think. If I recall correctly, you asked me why I was responding to you again, so you did see the response in the OP. I will quote if you like.

The amount of people misunderstanding, ignoring, or just not reading some things I've said is evident by some of the responses people have given.

When people have posted in a manner that demonstrates understanding of what I've said, even if the post is not in agreement with me, I still have not mentioned reading to those people.

[Lorielle]

Why is this topic still going? I mean, everything's said and done. I feel like you guys are just arguing to argue at this point.

[nuyu11]

Why is this topic still going? I mean, everything's said and done. I feel like you guys are just arguing to argue at this point.

Win an argument is the best feeling ever

[Adire]

Why is this topic still going? I mean, everything's said and done. I feel like you guys are just arguing to argue at this point.

I feel like we're better off now than we were several pages ago. At least there aren't as many personal insults and swear words being used :3