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    If people want SAM to be a tank so badly then provide a alternative to a Sword focus user DPS Job because right now FF14 has this imaginary rule saying " All sword users must be Tank Jobs".
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    If people want SAM to be a tank so badly then provide a alternative to a Sword focus user DPS Job because right now FF14 has this imaginary rule saying " All sword users must be Tank Jobs".
    So the giant axe is a sword lol
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    i just gonna throw my vote in i agree with the parry tank idea, but perhaps he should be a dual swordsman example ( Katana/Wakizashi) one bigger one smaller.
    if they separate it into shogun (tank) and samurai (dps) i reckon shogun should use the dual swordsman weapon choice.
    Also for a throw attack which all classes seem to have, have them throw kamas lol
    And throw in a kessan (baton fan) as a stun lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by xanmoas View Post
    So the giant axe is a sword lol
    That is not the point I'm making and by your comment you missed the point I was making.

    Yes we have a Axe user as one of the tanks but right now all Sword Users are going into Tank Jobs being Paladin and Dark Knight both bring Sword users and placed. Tank Jobs role.

    A Sword User DPS Job is something people been wanting for a while now but so far we have yet to gain it. Adding SAM as a DPS Job would be one way to add a Sword focused user DPS Job and with FF series lack of Sword users we have limited choices now when a good amount of the sword users can only be seen more suited for Tank Jobs for FF14 when they can be suited for DPS role as well if adjusted right in FF14.

    You can add Red Mage as a DPS job but it is not really known for being sword users but a Job that uses Magic and having a sword more for cosmetic iconic image.

    Other than SAM, we also have Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer as a possible canidate for a sword user type DPS Job if they are adjust right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    If people want SAM to be a tank so badly then provide a alternative to a Sword focus user DPS Job because right now FF14 has this imaginary rule saying " All sword users must be Tank Jobs".
    They don't have to provide an alternative Sword based DPS option because there's nothing that demands there ever be a sword based DPS. There's already likely going to be Red Mage using rapiers as some kind of dps or dps/hybrid. You're the one with some imaginary rule in your head saying there has to be a sword using dps job added at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
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    Like I said Red Mage original design was not towards Swords gameplay. It was a Job that focused more on using Black and White Magic while the sword was just there for cosmetic look for their Iconic appearance.

    However, if they changed Red Mage to be a Sword user type that uses magic for his melee sword combat that is a different story.

    If they choose to follow Red Mage original design then I can't call it a Sword User because he doesn't use the sword focused attacks and only have the Rapier around for cosmetic look.

    As of now there are two way Red Mage can go being they change Red Mage in FF14 and make it a type of Melee Sword Magic user or keep it original design of using Range Magic while the sword remains as a cosmitic thing.

    I never considered Red Mage a official Sword User Job because they only had their sword around for cosmetic looks. Their main abilites was always focus on their Black and White Magic leaving them as just Range Magic users that can use both Black and White Magic.
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    Last edited by EdwinLi; 05-07-2015 at 03:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    Like I said Red Mage original design was not towards Swords gameplay. It was a Job that focused more on using Black and White Magic while the sword was just there for cosmetic look for their Iconic appearance.
    What you describe was predicated by a limitation inherent to turn-based RPGs. There's only so much you can do with it when already buffs and such are not a "smooth" part of gameplay. Not to mention that sword enchants and Red Mage weren't really synonymous until FFXI came along. Before that it was just a hybrid that had access to magic and heavier equipment than WHM and BLM.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)