Answers About the Archons

[Bloody]

Not sure if it impacts your tattoo hypothesis Moose but I recall the first time you meet Moenbryda she has the eye on her leg and the other on her neck, but I'm struggling to remember if she is introduced as a new member of the Scions or a friend from Sharlayan....

[Fenral]

Minfilia's made a lot of connections since Louisoix's death - a lot of networking has been done and many of his allies are now ours.

Minfilia actually avoids mentioning G'raha by name in the one line where she does acknowledge Cid and NOAH. Either she has no reason to ever have heard of him personally, or has some reason to not want to acknowledge him. I kinda feel like G'raha would've mentioned Louisoix himself if there were any connection (if only to brag insensitively), but I also can't help but feel (professional opinion as a screenwriter) like a lot of the planned CT story (and G'raha's full character arc) ended up on the cutting room floor after LotA, so who knows?

I wonder what, if any, tattoos Krile will have, and Galuf, for that matter, assuming he's not dead.

Galuf was either X-Zoned with the Isle of Val itself or is waiting in the wings to be killed by the Primal of Nothingness, Exodus. Can't even name an airship in this series "Galuf Val" with out it dropping out of the sky.

I think Krile herself, if and when she decides to appear, will probably be an important interpersonal hub to connect the various Sharlayans we've met. She will get her chance to mourn Moen, not to mention whomever else we may lose before her arrival, and may even be the one non-CT character to be emotionally impacted by G'raha's Amy Pond gambit (which realistically needs be given some sort of fallout), especially if he's as important as he certainly seemed to think.

The answers lie Heavensward™?

[treuhavik]

Man, this thread got buried quick.

About the "echo-archon" link; do we know if urianger has the echo or not? Elidibus calling him "Archon", but not Minfilia or us is interesting, especially after forgetting that lou basically called Minfilia an archon in that Tale.

As far as we know, Minfilia is the only Scion what possesses the Echo, yet all of the Scions are referred to as "Archons".

I'll also add that neither tattoo are exclusive to Sharlayans, as Thancred is from Vylbrand.


I look forward to reading your theory!

[myahele]

With the exception of Archons, aren't the remaining members(post massacre) of the Scions all Echo wielders?

I'm not sure about Hoary Boulder and that Elezen companion of his, but I do know that Arenvald also has the Echo and was specifically recruited by the scions due to it http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ean-half-breed

[treuhavik]

With the exception of Archons, aren't the remaining members(post massacre) of the Scions all Echo wielders?

True. By "Scions", I meant our main crew.

When it comes to titles, this game either f^@%s up huge or there's something deeper we've yet to be clued in on. Eorzean history (what little we have, at least) tells us that "Archons" are Echo-users who show up on the eve of a calamity to warn mankind, right? But English dialogue calls both Scions of the Seventh Dawn and members of the Circle of Knowing by this name, none of which possess the Echo!! If anything, Minfilia and her "Walkers" of the Path of the Twelve should have been dubbed "Archons", but alas...

[myahele]

Could it be possible that the Archons (our Scions) will somehow get the echo eventually?

People aren't born with the echo, but are spontaneously given it. We know from the Sahagin priest that whatever Lahabrea taught him allowed the priest to gain the echo and body snatching capabilities.

What really struck me was the Roegadyn Archon who was said to be the "reincarnation of Rhalgr" Iceheart proved to us that an echo user can be the host of a supernatural being. So is it too far-fetched to think that Archon Ahldbhar hosted the essence of Rhalgr himself?

[Anonymoose]

Could it be possible that the Archons (our Scions) will somehow get the echo eventually? People aren't born with the echo, but are spontaneously given it.

Possible, yes; though some story evolution would need to take place explaining why they'd need it or what they planned to do with it. If I had 8 allies with the Echo, I wouldn't even need a party to fight primals anymore.

So is it too far-fetched to think that Archon Ahldbhar hosted the essence of Rhalgr himself?

Secret twist-ending: The best Echo users become vessels for the Twelve and fight Zodiark and the Ascians in a cage match!

Seriously, though, we have so little information on that stuff that almost any theory could fit. I'm sure one of us has probably gotten pretty close with one spirit-of-the-times theory we threw out one day, but most are just houses of cards and we're waiting to see which ones fall first. I try to remind people as often as possible that this XKCD comic is probably analogous to many of our current theories, lol.

[treuhavik]

Could it be possible that the Archons (our Scions) will somehow get the echo eventually?

It's possible, but the damage is done, they're already called Archons without the Echo. /pout

So is it too far-fetched to think that Archon Ahldbhar hosted the essence of Rhalgr himself?

No, not at all. But, would it really be Rhalgr? Or would it just be some lightning primal? Or is it a super-special lightning technique learned by a thaumaturge and attributed to a god of lightning?

[Fenral]

If my interpretations of the marks are correct, it's the most logical assumption I can think of, but I've no proof.

Turns out that being a minimum-height male Miqo'te means there are certain details that can appear in places I would never think to check. Someone much taller than I am pointed this out to me:

This ties in to the connection between Ramnbroes and G'raha, which we knew was there anyway, but incidentally leaves Moenbryda out, since I think she specifically wasn't part of the Circle. Still nothing else on that eye, though I suspect that "there are actually a lot of them, and none of them are that important on their own" will probably be the card that falls first, but nothing wrong with finding hope in the last remaining shred of doubt, right?

[Anonymoose]

Turns out that being a minimum-height male Miqo'te means there are certain details that can appear in places I would never think to check.

Pfffbwahaha. Nice find.

I don't quite understand what you mean about the rest, though. Moenbryda was quite clearly a member of the Circle of Knowing, no? Nabriales calls her such (indirectly in English), she a long-standing companionship with Urianger (Louisoix's protege), and a big part of her death dealt the resolution of how she felt that Louisoix had in some way abandoned her by going to his death unannounced. Even if the tattoo ends up referring primarily to a larger group that the Circle of Knowing had a schism with, I'm fairly confident sure she was Circle.

Likewise, now that we know Rammbroes indeed has a tattoo, it's not so strange that G'raha does. The elder, more experienced one of the two lacking it I would have found strange. Now, not so much. I'm not sure if they were Circle or part of the possible larger group, but if the case is the former, I assume they were just assigned to different areas for different reasons than the rest.

While I could make up excuses all day, though, don't forget the main reason SE gives people the Circle of Knowing tattoo: simply to let you know that someone is legit. It's an effortless way to imply a specific backstory without wasting time actually telling it.