DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Veerne]

Another would be that it would make the game far less approachable. Its one thing to say that you are looking to improve your numbers, but if the community starts using DPS numbers as a big public "keep out" sign, its going to get noticed by people you don't intend to scare away.(and no, im not looking to protect the classes, I'm questioning whether this is going to hinder more than benefit, there are far more DPS classes than other classes, and it may result in a "flavor of the month" situation where one or two is demanded above all others.)

There is this little game called "World of Warcraft" which as we all know totally flopped because the damage meters made it so hard to approach...

[Kallera]

There is this little game called "World of Warcraft" which as we all know totally flopped because the damage meters made it so hard to approach...

It kept me from joining it.
Part of that reason was because of features like that which eventually crept up into a nightmare of customized ui, addons, and reputation as a community.

I don't want that, I didn't start playing this game to go through another game's experience.

[Asierid]

It kept me from joining it.
Part of that reason was because of features like that which eventually crept up into a nightmare of customized ui, addons, and reputation as a community.

I don't want that, I didn't start playing this game to go through another game's experience.

That's great. It kept a handful of people, out of the millions still playing it, away due to damage meters. If numbers scare you that much, I suggest you don't go further down the MMO tunnel.

It's not a hard concept. You numbers are low, make them higher. You're doing something wrong if they are completely different from someone of your gear/level. Why should I take someone that wants to do less work than someone else who clearly (As shown by the helpful parser information) does more and helps the group as a whole? Just like taking a guy to help you move, yet all he does is sit there and point out where everything goes instead of doing anything.

[Kallera]

That's great. It kept a handful of people, out of the millions still playing it, away due to damage meters. If numbers scare you that much, I suggest you don't go further down the MMO tunnel.

I'm sorry you think its not enough that I look for improvement and am willing to correct myself for content already. I am just not interested in berating people out of parties unless I am certain they have ignored given instructions. I do not want to see this game as a 2nd job, and do not appreciate features that encourage it.

Take it another way, if I enjoyed critiquing the hell out of people in my party and regularly vote abandon, and just acted on performance, would I be a better player? Not necessarily. I certainly wouldn't feel better about the behavior and would spend a considerably longer amount of time waiting for parties to fill, thanks to my DPS role.

[RiceisNice]

I'm sorry you think its not enough that I look for improvement and am willing to correct myself for content already. I am just not interested in berating people out of parties unless I am certain they have ignored given instructions. I do not want to see this game as a 2nd job, and do not appreciate features that encourage it.

Take it another way, if I enjoyed critiquing the hell out of people in my party and regularly vote abandon, and just acted on performance, would I be a better player? Not necessarily. I certainly wouldn't feel better about the behavior and would spend a considerably longer amount of time waiting for parties to fill, thanks to my DPS role.

It's not like you suddenly skip the "advice" part and go straight into "berating them" just because you see lower numbers (versus seeing their rotation or uptime)

[Kallera]

It's not like you suddenly skip the "advice" part and go straight into "berating them" just because you see lower numbers (versus seeing their rotation or uptime)

Why would i give advice though if I was acting like that? I'm not obligated to them, if its a df i probably won't see them again. they are the ones keeping us from success, they have all the same tools, they should know what it is already or not be here.

I would rather not act like that.

[Malevicton]

It's not like you suddenly skip the "advice" part and go straight into "berating them" just because you see lower numbers (versus seeing their rotation or uptime)

You haven't heard? The exact same instant you put effort into a game, it becomes your job. You're teleported immediately to your mother's basement, and are made to sign the "Ermagerd We're Da B3st" guild charter, which requires - among other things - that you actively try to reduce the number of new players by making them feel infinitely inferior to yourself (don't worry, they deserve it, you're that much better). You are required at all times to use your <Final Witness> title, but make sure to never actually play your role. You're always more helpful standing afk in the back. This allows you a good view from which to criticize everyone else (If they get sassy tell em to look at your gear, that'll shut em up).

At least that's what I've learned from the forums. Maybe in reality people are just human and prone to emotionally-influenced responses that could vary depending on context. Who knows

[Jamein]

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I think this is where we differ. I tank for my static, monk is my offspec and I have a lot of fun in PF groups for FCOB on it, more so than my tank. Mainly because I use the parser and try to beat my previous best DPS in those turns. I'll try to improve every single time, where can I get my rotation off better, whats causing me to lose some DPS? Can I perfect this more? Where can I get that extra hit in? That for me is actually pretty fun. It's like a mini-game. The parser is just a tool to be used, if someone is going to be a jerk about it they would've been a jerk about anything. We shouldn't disregard an important and informative tool just because a few idiots who probably have no clue how to use it properly start spouting nonsense.

[FallenArisen0990]

I think this is where we differ. I tank for my static, monk is my offspec and I have a lot of fun in PF groups for FCOB on it, more so than my tank. Mainly because I use the parser and try to beat my previous best DPS in those turns. I'll try to improve every single time, where can I get my rotation off better, whats causing me to lose some DPS? Can I perfect this more? Where can I get that extra hit in? That for me is actually pretty fun. It's like a mini-game. The parser is just a tool to be used, if someone is going to be a jerk about it they would've been a jerk about anything. We shouldn't disregard an important and informative tool just because a few idiots who probably have no clue how to use it properly start spouting nonsense.

This is cool and all. I'm glad you take your DPS seriously but honestly not everyone plays like this. I don't play like this. I only care to go in kill and gtfo. It really isn't needed for this kind of game. The community is already divided and a Parser just makes it worse. Not everyone plays this game hardcore. SE should just keep it how it is. I don't want to fully disconnect with the rest of the community like I have already with DF/PF on Raids.

[Raikki]

It really isn't needed for this kind of game.

I assume you know this from your vast pre-echo non-iLvl-capped coil experiences, right?