Should Alexander hard drop highest item level gear?

[Elim]

I pose a question in return. If you don't need the gear from Savage to down Savage, would you be interested in it? Why?

For fun and to feel like I've accomplished something.

I haven't been reading the whole conversation between you and whoever, I just noticed this when I skimmed over this page and wanted to answer your question. lol

[SDaemon]

I was refering to something similar to what dropped in another game I played. They would have, for example, a helm that dropped that had stats for all classes on it. The stats would be better than any ther helm, but since it was only one piece, it wasn't game breaking in any way. It was also quite a rare drop.

The general idea is the same I imagine. Though without details of what you are specifically referring to, a better comparison is kind of floating in limbo.

[Eidolon]

I pose a question in return. If you don't need the gear from Savage to down Savage, would you be interested in it? Why?

I pose a counter:

You get the gear that lets you faceroll it (Storymode/Tome) to make the content of Storymode/Tome easier.
You get the gear from Savage, to make it easier to get more gear from it. This is a logical progression, and it's exactly why the arguement of "Why are you interested in this gear if you can do it already?!" It's all about that optimization of our classes and being rewarded for performing.

[Teuciont]

I don't much care for the gear in Coil. I'm managing fine, for the most part, without it and when I finish relic I'll have iL123 with not even one piece of Coil gear. What I DO care for in Coil is it's story. I've been wanting to experience it for a while (damnable Twintania won't give me a pass. >,< ) but haven't wanted to deal with any of the attitude that came with those early Coil groups. An attitude that's, sadly, been bleeding into every other bit of content ever since. This is why you don't see as many people clearing Coil as you do the Japanese servers, the corrosive attitudes of the 'best' US players. An attitude that's too clearly illustrated in this thread...

Not meant as a personal attack, but in all reality why should raiding content cater to you if you don't have enough drive to beat year and a half old content that's been vastly outgeared?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I love how people think that having top gear that doesn't come from raids, don't help raiders. If RNG is cruel to you in Alex Savage, you will have a decent alternative. If your static is struggling in raids, your members being able to gear up OUTSIDE of raids will help progression.

Having only one source of top end gear hurts EVERYONE. Not just the people that don't raid. But I do think the top gear outside of raids should be much more time consuming to get. Maybe allow people to get tome gear, but to upgrade it to top tier you need really rare items acquired outside of raids.

The things i don't agree with are things like archmagus quest. Where they give out carbontwines for 1.5 hours of playtime. Also 75 poetics for ONE daily roullette is really high IMO.

[SDaemon]

I pose a counter:

You get the gear that lets you faceroll it (Storymode/Tome) to make the content of Storymode/Tome easier.
You get the gear from Savage, to make it easier to get more gear from it. This is a logical progression, and it's exactly why the arguement of "Why are you interested in this gear if you can do it already?!" It's all about that optimization of our classes and being rewarded for performing.

Exactly, people want better gear to make their characters feel progressively stronger.

[Gilraen]

Not meant as a personal attack, but in all reality why should raiding content cater to you if you don't have enough drive to beat year and a half old content that's been vastly outgeared?

It's not about the drive. I've been trying, but getting a good group in Finder is a crap-shoot and a group that doesn't Abandon or suffer a plague of Leaves after two wipes even rarer.

[Waliel]

Never said it was part of the main story. That period represents a separate thought. He argued that i90 was only needed because the story ends at i90. But there is content besides Coils that uses higher than i90, that was the point you missed.

Sorry about that, then. Had to go back and read that line a couple of times to see that, but whatever, I only wanted to address the "Shiva EX is story" thing anyway, which got cleared up, and your point about other content needing higher than i90 doesn't affect it in any way. Well, I guess I wouldn't've made it in the first place...

If you look at equipment in a void, maybe.
But realistically, accuracy has to be made up for somewhere in the gearset.

WoD gloves happen to have ACC if you need it. Poe gloves are only useful if you need the HP.

[Eidolon]

Exactly, people want better gear to make their characters feel progressively stronger.

I believe this is where our opinions diverge.

You should not be as strong as someone who kills beastmen if all you ever do is fight Rabbits. Logical progression suggests that you woudl reach your platue. You might get really good at killing bunnies. But Beastmen are a whole different ballgame.

I like the way gear works on major patches (2.2/2.4) - You can buy the next "Step" of tome gear, but if you want the -best- gear (i120 vs i130), you needed to do Coil to get the best pieces. This made it so that people weren't prevented from buying Tomestone gear and could progress (awesome) while keeping the players who did the hard content advancing/progressing at a decent rate (rewarding and awesome.)

Won't deny putting it on WoD/Hunts helped me out for gearing some of my classes, too, though. :3

[SDaemon]

Sorry about that, then. Had to go back and read that line a couple of times to see that, but whatever, I only wanted to address the "Shiva EX is story" thing anyway, which got cleared up, and your point about other content needing higher than i90 doesn't affect it in any way. Well, I guess I wouldn't've made it in the first place...

Re-reading what I wrote I probably should have indented after that first sentence so I apologize.