Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Tuathaa]

A question... if you don't choose to play with the playerbase with a lack of or presumed lack of skill (through merits), does that make you an asshole? I want others opinions. Also, if you say yes, let me know if you consider yourself a great player and if you at the least have a T13 clear. (civilized, please. Just charting something)

No but what does is having that attitude then q'ing up in DF and belittling and flipping out on people for mistakes, does.

[Skeith-Adeline]

No but what does is having that attitude then q'ing up in DF and belittling and flipping out on people for mistakes, does.

That's fair, and sensible. With that in mind... what is the endless bickering in this thread about exactly?

[AlexionSkylark]

That's fair, and sensible. With that in mind... what is the endless bickering in this thread about exactly?

People defending their right to be arrogant and jerkasses to people who are not as much hardcore as them. And on the other side, people calling it out for the absurdity of this manifestation.

[Noahlimits]

People defending their right to be arrogant and jerkasses to people who are not as much hardcore as them. And on the other side, people calling it out for the absurdity of this manifestation.

You don't have to be hardcore to know and perform a simple rotation as a DPS. Or cooldown rotation as a tank. Or preemptive shields and heals as a healer. Saying you aren't hardcore as an excuse to perform below the average is just lazy.

[AlexionSkylark]

You don't have to be hardcore to know and perform a simple rotation as a DPS. Or cooldown rotation as a tank. Or preemptive shields and heals as a healer.

If you noticed, I distanced myself from the dichotomy when I said "less hardcore". It's a graduated scale, not a switch.

[Noahlimits]

If you noticed, I distanced myself from the dichotomy when I said "less hardcore". It's a graduated scale, not a switch.

If you'll notice, 90% of the people who complain about bad dps are referring to people who get sub 200 in stuff like WOD. That's all a part of doing a basic and simple rotation. Even in i90 you can destroy 200dps if you're doing some semblance of a rotation. 200 is barely more than auto attacks. People don't care if others are less hardcore as them or if they're not top dps, they care more if they're below average. Because if you are doing the basics of your class, you should at least be average. It's sad that people don't even strive to be average since "it's a game and they can play how they want". Or "it's just WOD man, WHO CARES".

If adequately geared in FCOB you'll still do good damage if you're doing a proper rotation. Most players in this game don't even use offensive cooldowns. Or they use them once and never again for the rest of the fight.

Basically to sum it up the op and some of the others think that DF is serious business and every one in it should play at their skill level. And they feel disrespected/insulted when people don't or cant.

The next time you do a DF with a tank who doesn't use shield or sword oath, BLMS who only cast blizzard 3, and melee dps who don't flank and basically just auto attack while spamming the same skill over and over, tell me you won't leave or at the very least be annoyed.

[AlexionSkylark]

A Melee with an i90 weapon will have a serious difficulty pulling more than 200 DPS on most WoD fights... But hey, it's his own fault for not farming a relic, right?

[Rendecrow]

People don't care if others are less hardcore as them or if they're not top dps, they care more if they're below average. Because if you are doing the basics of your class, you should at least be average.

This. This is 100% true.

I've played WoW for years and generally speaking if your dps is middle of the pack (average) no one will care. The only people who do get insulted and called out on their dps are people who barely do more than auto attacks. I think there is a misconception that if you allow dps meters then everyone will be mean to everyone else, but that is simply not true. The people who get called out usually are only doing half or less of what everyone else is doing.

[Skivvy]

You don't have to be hardcore to know and perform a simple rotation as a DPS. Or cooldown rotation as a tank. Or preemptive shields and heals as a healer.

I think the issue has been convoluted by the OPs insistence on using the term "elitist". Players who are skilled at this game aren't the issue (and are not elitists by default). The issue is the people who think they are in the top ranks, whether deserved or not, who berate, belittle and rage on those who in their eyes are not as skilled. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being awesome at this game. It all boils down to how you treat other people, and I think that's the issue at hand.

This thread is a train wreck though as there have been a lot crazy generalizations about how horrible the casual players are, as well as some about the more skilled players.

[Tuathaa]

That's fair, and sensible. With that in mind... what is the endless bickering in this thread about exactly?

Basically to sum it up the op and some of the others think that DF is serious business and every one in it should play at their skill level. And they feel disrespected/insulted when people don't or cant.