Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Noahlimits]

Let me guess, you people would LOVE the ban on DPS meters lifted so you could belittle and kick out DPSers who are not up to par wih your expectations of how much DPS a player is supposed to be doing.

You mean, doing enough dps to prevent enrage? If you divide the number of damage needed after tank and healer dps is determined, and divide that by 4 (for four dps) and they're FAR below that average, how is it bad to replace them? Having four such dps would literally make it IMPOSSIBLE to clear much of the content in the game with enrage.

In FCOB coil for example, if any dps is doing sub 300 dps (including echo), you're saying we shouldn't replace him because he should get to play however he wants? I don't get this logic. I really wish they would allow parsers in the game so I wouldn't have to rely on others who risk doing so. I'm a paranoid guy so I don't parse, but I accept that without them players wouldn't be able to reach full potential or see improvement. Unless they're just auto attacking it can be hard to tell which dps is holding back the group.

[Rendecrow]

Let me guess, you people would LOVE the ban on DPS meters lifted so you could belittle and kick out DPSers who are not up to par wih your expectations of how much DPS a player is supposed to be doing.

If my group is dying when a boss is only at 5 to 10% health every time, you better believe that if you are not pulling your weight in dps you will be kicked.

I've used dps meters for years in WoW. I never "belittled and kicked" anyone without a good reason. If I saw someone low on the meters I would politely ask them to step it up a notch. If however they couldn't, either because they dont want to try or because they don't have the gear, after a few wipes they would be replaced. That is not unreasonable.

[AlexionSkylark]

That's fair, and sensible. With that in mind... what is the endless bickering in this thread about exactly?

People defending their right to be arrogant and jerkasses to people who are not as much hardcore as them. And on the other side, people calling it out for the absurdity of this manifestation.

[Noahlimits]

People defending their right to be arrogant and jerkasses to people who are not as much hardcore as them. And on the other side, people calling it out for the absurdity of this manifestation.

You don't have to be hardcore to know and perform a simple rotation as a DPS. Or cooldown rotation as a tank. Or preemptive shields and heals as a healer. Saying you aren't hardcore as an excuse to perform below the average is just lazy.

[Cadmar]

Let me guess, you people would LOVE the ban on DPS meters lifted so you could belittle and kick out DPSers who are not up to par wih your expectations of how much DPS a player is supposed to be doing.

Belittle and kick? No. But yes, I would like to see them allowed so that people can understand their shortcomings and try to make adjustments. You seem to live in this black or white world where people can't strive for perfect execution and not be assholes at the same time.

But yes. I will happily belittle and kick people that show zero effort or desire to improve. And you can quote me on that.

[AlexionSkylark]

You don't have to be hardcore to know and perform a simple rotation as a DPS. Or cooldown rotation as a tank. Or preemptive shields and heals as a healer.

If you noticed, I distanced myself from the dichotomy when I said "less hardcore". It's a graduated scale, not a switch.

[Tuathaa]

That's fair, and sensible. With that in mind... what is the endless bickering in this thread about exactly?

Basically to sum it up the op and some of the others think that DF is serious business and every one in it should play at their skill level. And they feel disrespected/insulted when people don't or cant.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Shouldn't everybody just like... "Code Red: Abandon Ship"? Every comment is more-or-less self fulfilling at the moment and will likely lead nowhere but into more anarchy lol. All you guys are doing is placing warnings and targets for potential suspensions/bans. Do what I'm going to do and forget this thread exists.

[Noahlimits]

If you noticed, I distanced myself from the dichotomy when I said "less hardcore". It's a graduated scale, not a switch.

If you'll notice, 90% of the people who complain about bad dps are referring to people who get sub 200 in stuff like WOD. That's all a part of doing a basic and simple rotation. Even in i90 you can destroy 200dps if you're doing some semblance of a rotation. 200 is barely more than auto attacks. People don't care if others are less hardcore as them or if they're not top dps, they care more if they're below average. Because if you are doing the basics of your class, you should at least be average. It's sad that people don't even strive to be average since "it's a game and they can play how they want". Or "it's just WOD man, WHO CARES".

If adequately geared in FCOB you'll still do good damage if you're doing a proper rotation. Most players in this game don't even use offensive cooldowns. Or they use them once and never again for the rest of the fight.

Basically to sum it up the op and some of the others think that DF is serious business and every one in it should play at their skill level. And they feel disrespected/insulted when people don't or cant.

The next time you do a DF with a tank who doesn't use shield or sword oath, BLMS who only cast blizzard 3, and melee dps who don't flank and basically just auto attack while spamming the same skill over and over, tell me you won't leave or at the very least be annoyed.

[Cadmar]

Basically to sum it up the op and some of the others think that DF is serious business and every one in it should play at their skill level. And they feel disrespected/insulted when people don't or cant.

That is a completely unfair way to summarize this conversation. To be honest, the most rational people in here are the ones agreeing with the OP and saying that no one likes people that are rude but at the same time no one likes people who are unwilling to try either. It is the people that seem to be against what the OP stated that are the most polarizing faction here.