Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Tiggy]

Being an asshole is not synonymous with being an elitist, but being an elitist may be synonymous with being an asshole. There are a whole lot more assholes in the world than there are elitists, it's just that every elitist I've met has in fact also been an asshole.

That's unfortunate. However, I've known many people who identify as elitist, in so much that they prefer to play with similarly skilled and dedicated players, that are kind and helpful and never rip into new players. You assume you've only met asshole elitists because likely they are the most vocal. The kind ones tend to keep quiet and you have no idea you even met them. This creates a distinct confirmation bias that your post displays.

it's just that every elitist I've met has in fact also been an asshole.

That right there betrays the reason for your confirmation bias. Also try to remember that the human brain has a distinct tendency to remember negative experiences more than positive ones. It's a survival instinct. However, that doesn't make it accurate.

[Kosmos992k]

That's unfortunate. However, I've known many people who identify as elitist, in so much that they prefer to play with similarly skilled and dedicated players, that are kind and helpful and never rip into new players. You assume you've only met asshole elitists because likely they are the most vocal. The kind ones tend to keep quiet and you have no idea you even met them. This creates a distinct confirmation bias that your post displays.



That right there betrays the reason for your confirmation bias. Also try to remember that the human brain has a distinct tendency to remember negative experiences more than positive ones. It's a survival instinct. However, that doesn't make it accurate.

Nor does redfining elitism or elitist. You're arguing for the sake of it now.

[Tiggy]

Nor does redfining elitism or elitist. You're arguing for the sake of it now.

I'm simply having a peaceful conversation. Not even arguing really. I guess this is when you get all defensive for no reason I guess. I point out factual details about how the human brain functions and perceives the world (yes factual. These things are well known) and I guess that it's my fault you want to ignore that. Still doesn't make the assumptions you're making about people you've never even met accurate. Specifically about all the kind "elitists" that walk right by you ever day and you don't even know it. You're stubbornly and actively propagating the prejudice that elitist is automatically bad. After this statement...

being an elitist may be synonymous with being an asshole.

You seem to at one moment acknowledge that they aren't necessarily be all bad but then continue on with your prejudices anyway. You sir are a hypocrite. That kind of attitude directly contributes to the negative environment so many people complain about.

If you want to make those assumptions about people, fine. At least admit to the negativity that you yourself help propagate with those assumptions. NOW I'm arguing with you. Do you see how you immediately and through your own actions changed the nature of this interaction? This is the kind of mess I see in game all the time from people "calling out" elitists. They created the negative environment but point blame at elitists the entire time completely failing to accept any fault of their own in the matter. Just as I'm sure your follow up post will continue to do here. This will somehow be all my fault, or at least that's what you'll convince yourself of.

At the end of the day the difference between us is simple. I'm arguing for people to stop making assumptions about one another. You're trying to argue that one group may be entirely comprised of a-holes. I'm spread understanding. You're spreading prejudice. Do you really think that your behavior is acceptable?

[Kallera]

I'm simply having a peaceful conversation. Not even arguing really. I guess this is when you get all defensive for no reason I guess. I point out factual details about how the human brain functions and perceives the world (yes factual. These things are well known) and I guess that it's my fault you want to ignore that. Still doesn't make the assumptions you're making about people you've never even met accurate. Specifically about all the kind "elitists" that walk right by you ever day and you don't even know it. You're stubbornly and actively propagating the prejudice that elitist is automatically bad. After this statement...

If you want to make those assumptions about people, fine. At least admit to the negativity that you yourself help propagate with those assumption of.

A quick Google search about elitism shows that the term and the negative connotations that come with it, in particular their treatment of newer players, are not some recent invention and has been around for years across multiple mmo games as a descriptor of poor behavior.

[Tiggy]

A quick Google search about elitism shows that the term and the negative connotations that come with it, in particular their treatment of newer players, are not some recent invention and have been around for years across multiple mmo games.

So lets continue to propagate hate and prejudice because of a google definition? Great case there mate. I'm sure that puts you on the right side of ethics.

Try changing the world. Not following like a sheep. Break the cycle. Don't propagate it.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE

[Kallera]

So lets continue to propagate hate and prejudice because of a google definition? Great case there mate. I'm sure that puts you on the right side of ethics.

Try changing the world. Not following like a sheep. Break the cycle. Don't propagate it.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE

Ahem, i have been insulted by people coming from on both sides of this argument. Being pressured into doing coil by people wasn't my idea. Nor was being ditched at titan x, called undeserving for asking for story mode coil, talked around for not clearing t9, and amoung other things.

I do have an interest in learning things, and look at a written guide, but if I have to be a complete and utter jackass to get better, then I won't do it. I shouldn't have to give a resume to determine whether or not I'm part of the "peasants" some doof is referring to on social media. Even if i knew my skill relative to the server im on, I simply do not identify with the elite in this game. What do you think I hear when someone says that folks that haven't done said hot new raid before echo should just YouTube it?

...so yeah, I'll do the legwork, I'll down the potions, I'll learn and wipe till I clear.
But do NOT insist I forgive people for being blowhards and making me stressed out over where i am ingame. That is my choice to make.

[Starlord]

Ahem, i have been insulted by people coming from on both sides of this argument. Being pressured into doing coil by people wasn't my idea. Nor was being ditched at titan x, called undeserving for asking for story mode coil, talked around for not clearing t9, and amoung other things.

I do have an interest in learning things, and look at a written guide, but if I have to be a complete and utter jackass to get better, then I won't do it.

This is why I stay away from hardcore content ( coil) till it's not relevant anymore. because I had bad experiences in hardcore content, that I don't wanna see again. ( Thankfully I am on a Japanese server, to the hate is unlikely.)

[FeiXue]

So lets continue to propagate hate and prejudice because of a google definition? Great case there mate. I'm sure that puts you on the right side of ethics.

Try changing the world. Not following like a sheep. Break the cycle. Don't propagate it.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE

Tfw being the change means starting up these PFs where you kick inexperienced people while everyone bitches about you being "elitist"

[Kosmos992k]

I'm simply having a peaceful conversation.

Tiggy, arguing a point does not require confrontaion, peaceful conversation is more than sufficient to argue the merits of something. I have no desire for a confrontation.

BTW I make no presumption of elitism or anything else, and judge people on their behavior. You could be an elitist without being an asshole, but it would take a great degree of skill to behave as an elitist without simultaneously being an asshole to others.