Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[gamesmart]

Yay another free pass for dps! If a tank or healer is undergeared or just bad, everyone sees hate flying around and people dying and they get reamed for it. But if you dare call out the poor dps they get a chance to ban you for it. Unrelated point to OP but sheesh I'm sick of dps getting a free pass on not sucking just because it's not as visible as tank/healer sucking.

Even with enmity-mitigating abilities such as Quelling Strikes and Elusive Jump, all I really need to know that a DPS is underperforming is the enmity bar. If the other DPS's aggro isn't even half of mine then there's a pretty obvious problem.

[Intaki]

Yay another free pass for dps!

Don't hate the player, hate the ToS.

If you're going to do everything in your power to be unpleasant, you should probably try to be smart enough to do it in a way that doesn't bring down the ban-hammer.

And let's not pretend that the privileges for being a tank or healer don't exist, and in copious amounts.

[Malevicton]

Don't hate the player, hate the ToS.

If you're going to do everything in your power to be unpleasant, you should probably try to be smart enough to do it in a way that doesn't bring down the ban-hammer.

But still, do you really fell morally justified antagonizing someone just because they antagonized you fir-

Wait, this is the internet. You really probably do feel that way.

[Nichrom]

I'm pretty sure people dislike elitism because they're insecure about their skill.

So they're afraid of their internet button pressing being judged by fellow internet button pressers?

Seems inconvenient.

To each their own, I guess.

[Averax]

Elitism has a negative inflection. When you think of an elitist, you think of someone who's arrogant because he/she was able to devote the time to perfect their skills and take on the hard bosses while lording it over everyone who hasn't.

When someone is good at this game, and tries to be genuinely helpful, they are just a good player. They don't lord their accomplishments over other and say, "gosh guys it was SO easy, i cant believe you can't do it". A good player would say "It gets easier as you get the hang of it, i'm sure you'll get it in time"

[Intaki]

But still, do you really fell morally justified antagonizing someone just because they antagonized you fir-

Wait, this is the internet. You really probably do feel that way.

I dunno about "morally justified", but it's pretty darn fun!

[LineageRazor]

While I certainly can't speak for everyone, what I have noticed is that many of the "tanks" in PUG's these days don't main as Tanks. A lot of us who do main tanks have become rather burned out by how the community treats us. Many are tired of always being forced to speed run, or other players not bothering to work together, or just outright blaming us for their screw-ups. We all screw-up. but slinging blame doesn't help.

Forced to speed run? Dear lord, why would you ever NOT want to speed run? Tanking dungeon trash pack by pack is quite possibly the most boring form of tanking in this game. In the extremely rare cases where I'm asked to pull more slowly, I've sometimes gone so far as to play a second game on my computer just to keep myself occupied.

Heaping mobs as far as you can safely go, gauging the ability of your healer and your DPS to keep pace - outside of Coil and a few Ex Primals, that's really the only time a tank really feels ALIVE.

I speed pull for my own enjoyment. That it benefits others is a pleasant bonus.

As for tanks being treated poorly, that's rarely been my personal experience, both as a tank and also as DPS or Healer in parties with other tanks. It saddens me that other tanks haven't been so fortunate. Actually, to be perfectly honest, my gaming experience in general hasn't been nearly as rife with toxicity as these forums seem to imply it should be; I think it's one of those cases where good news makes bad press: no one comes to the forums to whine about what a great run they just had. Sure, I've met some bad eggs in my time, but for the most part people is people, and people ain't bad.

[Urthdigger]

Yay another free pass for dps! If a tank or healer is undergeared or just bad, everyone sees hate flying around and people dying and they get reamed for it. But if you dare call out the poor dps they get a chance to ban you for it. Unrelated point to OP but sheesh I'm sick of dps getting a free pass on not sucking just because it's not as visible as tank/healer sucking.

I watch their animations, buffs, and monster debuffs. If I see a ninja not using huton, a black mage spamming blizzard II, a bard letting straight shot (and their DoTs for single target crap) fall off, I'll call them out for poor DPS.

[Curia_Regis]

I'm pretty sure people dislike elitism because they're insecure about their skill.

This is correct - People who claim to dislike elitism are just using it as a subtext to avoid stating that what they really dislike is being evaluated by their fellow players.

Therefore, if you throw back your head and yell, "I hate elitists!" as loud as you can, wherever you can, and only associate with those who feel the same way as you do... Then you can create an environment where nothing is expected of you, and you are never evaluated or critiqued. Everyone is allowed to wallow in their mediocrity, and no one says anything even if you continuously fail because well, that would be an elitist thing to do.

The bigger issue here is that these kinds of people generally view any sort of evaluation of their playstyle as "wow, you're a terrible person, did you know that??" They are simply unable to take the feedback as it is. Unfortunately I don't think it is possible to fix an insecure person who is unwilling to ever see properly constructed and polite constructive feedback for what it is - a tool for bettering yourself.

This is why most of you in this position are probably still stuck on Turn 9 and most likely will be until we get another ilvl increase in 3.0, by the way.

[Kinseykinz]

Well, First the person that wrote this is no an Elitist, He THINKS that he is one Elitist! and that's the REAL ISSUE..... I went to lodstone and check
His Character.... hmmm, tried to check his achievements.... couldn't!, then i checked his Pets.... no Louisoix at this point? Well, and then and
Found out... he is the FC Leader, yeah.... and the FC Slogan is :
We're a Casual/Social FC w/ a large house in the Goblet. We do all content and nobody gets left out. PST for an invite! Sorry an Elistist will
never write a slogan like that! SO, as i said before He thinks that he is something......

While what you wrote took a moment to understand, you missed the OP's point.

People were calling him an elitist. So he decided to more or less 'embrace' it. He doesn't really think he's 'elitist' ....but he also doesn't think MANY of the players being called such are actually elitist/behaving in such a way. His post was explaining how people get tired of constantly over-working on content to 'help' others only to have the very people they are trying to 'help' (stranger or otherwise), start name calling, or thinking that those who HAVE the experience are somehow in the wrong for not basically carrying the group or showing more patience than a saint.

Basically, it doesn't matter if you beat T13....if people know you've beaten Levi EX 100 times, they expect somehow that you, and you alone will be the sole reason they get their first clear. Or expect you to drop everything to 'help' them. Or start blaming you for not 'saving it' when the crap hits the fan and that happened because they drowned as soon as the ledges dropped. And many people who expect 'experienced in a specific battle' people to 'carry' them will then start using namecalling/shaming...specifically the word 'elitist' to basically shame them into helping.

Patience has it's limits.
Skill has it's limits.
We all play for fun.


I personally love to help people...but not ALWAYS....or at least not at their beck n call.
I don't mind teaching people at all...but that doesn't mean I'm willing to spend an entire Saturday afternoon 'helping' you if you aren't improving/listening/ or trying. If you are STILL dying to the same thing after repeated attempts, it should seem logical to let people leave to do other things while you take time to practice/study etc. We can try again another day when maybe you'll be less frustrated/better prepared.

on the flip side:
I don't like wasting other peoples time. If I feel like 'I'm the weak link' I'll leave/ask to be replaced.
I don't PF like ever. I just prefer learning the harder content with friends....this means I'll willingly let content pass me by and 'fall behind' rather than stay cutting edge. (I have been in 'progression raid groups' and I've been 'casual' right now I'm super-casual as real-life keeps me from even having enough comfort to do a full WoD run (I'm very very pregnant). )

So I don't have a T13 or even a T9 clear either...although to be fair, I also haven't even attempted T7. Why? Because it's not important to me right now/waiting to do it with friends. But I have been accused of being an 'elitist' for being like 'sorry guys, but don't think this is happening today' on a battle I DID have multiple clears on...but the party wasn't progressing at all/learning from their errors. I have been accused of being elitist for not dropping everything I was doing in-game right at that very moment to help a FC mate get a primal clear (to be clear they said /FC anyone want to do blah and I simply didn't answer...) And also, my FC at the time had scheduled times to 'help' people catch up on said battles/forum pages where you could sign up asking for help and this person decided to use neither resource, they just expected me an several others on our raiding team to be willing at a moments notice to help them. I also DID in fact, help members as often as I could...and really just wanted a 'quiet evening of gathering'

My point. I'm like the OP. I am so not elitist. But I have been called it....and every time it happens, it's because I'm simply unwilling at that exact moment to either do everything for someone else/drop what I'm doing to be at someone's beck n call.

And as to the actual top-tier endgame raiders out there. Many of them aren't actually elitist either. They just are playing the game their way, with their friends and likely don't have a plethora of time to 'help' everyone who wants it. Furthermore, their definition of 'helping' is likely very different that the person wishing for 'help's definition is. (Raiders learned the battle from scratch with little to no help from the outside...esp the cutting edge people, and now the people looking for help are typically hoping to just 'cash in' on their hard work, time and knowledge for an 'easy clear' that's not 'helping' that's carrying). When I ask my top-tier raider friends for help, I'm not typically asking them to jump into battle with me, rather it's a /t conversation asking for advice on a very specific part of the battle I might be having issue with...I'm asking them to help me problem solve. I then going back to working on it with my team/friends whatever. THAT is helping....and they ALWAYS will do that. That's not asking for a handout or a carry.