Quote Originally Posted by ClystielCarvalho View Post
Well, First the person that wrote this is no an Elitist, He THINKS that he is one Elitist! and that's the REAL ISSUE..... I went to lodstone and check
His Character.... hmmm, tried to check his achievements.... couldn't!, then i checked his Pets.... no Louisoix at this point? Well, and then and
Found out... he is the FC Leader, yeah.... and the FC Slogan is :
We're a Casual/Social FC w/ a large house in the Goblet. We do all content and nobody gets left out. PST for an invite! Sorry an Elistist will
never write a slogan like that! SO, as i said before He thinks that he is something......
While what you wrote took a moment to understand, you missed the OP's point.

People were calling him an elitist. So he decided to more or less 'embrace' it. He doesn't really think he's 'elitist' ....but he also doesn't think MANY of the players being called such are actually elitist/behaving in such a way. His post was explaining how people get tired of constantly over-working on content to 'help' others only to have the very people they are trying to 'help' (stranger or otherwise), start name calling, or thinking that those who HAVE the experience are somehow in the wrong for not basically carrying the group or showing more patience than a saint.

Basically, it doesn't matter if you beat T13....if people know you've beaten Levi EX 100 times, they expect somehow that you, and you alone will be the sole reason they get their first clear. Or expect you to drop everything to 'help' them. Or start blaming you for not 'saving it' when the crap hits the fan and that happened because they drowned as soon as the ledges dropped. And many people who expect 'experienced in a specific battle' people to 'carry' them will then start using namecalling/shaming...specifically the word 'elitist' to basically shame them into helping.

Patience has it's limits.
Skill has it's limits.
We all play for fun.


I personally love to help people...but not ALWAYS....or at least not at their beck n call.
I don't mind teaching people at all...but that doesn't mean I'm willing to spend an entire Saturday afternoon 'helping' you if you aren't improving/listening/ or trying. If you are STILL dying to the same thing after repeated attempts, it should seem logical to let people leave to do other things while you take time to practice/study etc. We can try again another day when maybe you'll be less frustrated/better prepared.

on the flip side:
I don't like wasting other peoples time. If I feel like 'I'm the weak link' I'll leave/ask to be replaced.
I don't PF like ever. I just prefer learning the harder content with friends....this means I'll willingly let content pass me by and 'fall behind' rather than stay cutting edge. (I have been in 'progression raid groups' and I've been 'casual' right now I'm super-casual as real-life keeps me from even having enough comfort to do a full WoD run (I'm very very pregnant). )

So I don't have a T13 or even a T9 clear either...although to be fair, I also haven't even attempted T7. Why? Because it's not important to me right now/waiting to do it with friends. But I have been accused of being an 'elitist' for being like 'sorry guys, but don't think this is happening today' on a battle I DID have multiple clears on...but the party wasn't progressing at all/learning from their errors. I have been accused of being elitist for not dropping everything I was doing in-game right at that very moment to help a FC mate get a primal clear (to be clear they said /FC anyone want to do blah and I simply didn't answer...) And also, my FC at the time had scheduled times to 'help' people catch up on said battles/forum pages where you could sign up asking for help and this person decided to use neither resource, they just expected me an several others on our raiding team to be willing at a moments notice to help them. I also DID in fact, help members as often as I could...and really just wanted a 'quiet evening of gathering'

My point. I'm like the OP. I am so not elitist. But I have been called it....and every time it happens, it's because I'm simply unwilling at that exact moment to either do everything for someone else/drop what I'm doing to be at someone's beck n call.

And as to the actual top-tier endgame raiders out there. Many of them aren't actually elitist either. They just are playing the game their way, with their friends and likely don't have a plethora of time to 'help' everyone who wants it. Furthermore, their definition of 'helping' is likely very different that the person wishing for 'help's definition is. (Raiders learned the battle from scratch with little to no help from the outside...esp the cutting edge people, and now the people looking for help are typically hoping to just 'cash in' on their hard work, time and knowledge for an 'easy clear' that's not 'helping' that's carrying). When I ask my top-tier raider friends for help, I'm not typically asking them to jump into battle with me, rather it's a /t conversation asking for advice on a very specific part of the battle I might be having issue with...I'm asking them to help me problem solve. I then going back to working on it with my team/friends whatever. THAT is helping....and they ALWAYS will do that. That's not asking for a handout or a carry.