Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Sylkis]

In the current meta, we must all find others with similar interests that are not worse or better than ourselves in skill and patience... or there will be conflict. It is as people say: the hardest part about this game is finding 7 others.

[GenJoe]

Oh, I've never rejected a vote abandon to hold anyone hostage. ?_? I've rejected them because it's usually one disgruntled person who wants to leave, while the rest of us are willing to go back in there and try to get it down instead of running away

Sometimes, a person may simply be impatient, or less persistent.
Other times, that person may simply have a clearer vision of what's to come, or is able to see clearly what is a lost cause.

I've seen it both ways, I've seen one person try to abandon repeatedly while the group as a whole were improving every attempt and making progress and I've seen cases where people just simply refuse to give up when it's a lost cause. In fact, I have a friend irl who's just like that, wanted to run arena with me in WoW as a Prot DPS Pally with my Resto Druid.. His favorite words were, "you never know until you try".. Well sometimes, you can see disaster from a mile away.. It's just the difference in our clarity of visions.

In the current meta, we must all find others with similar interests that are not worse or better than ourselves in skill and patience... or there will be conflict. It is as people say: the hardest part about this game is finding 7 others.

Yes, that is indeed the hardest part about this game. Harder than the actual fights themselves.
For some of us, it'll be finding people who do not give up when the going gets tough, for others, it'll be finding people that know when to call it quits and come back to fight another day.

[nuyu11]

"you never know until you try"

Nothing ventured, nothing gained

[Jamein]

Here's why someone whose an 'elitist' may vote abandon or leave earlier than you'd like.


They cleared that content with lesser gear and with no echo, they spent days, maybe weeks wiping on it to finally clear it till they got it on farm. They went through all of that, and now, 6 months later when people over gear it and have echo and that guy walks in and says 'how do i do this' they get PTSD and say screw this I'm out when things go south. Not to mention we do tend to have a decent grasp on the mechanics because we have done it so many times, and we see what people are doing to screw up, if it's one of those oh well honest mistake kinda things we will ignore it, if we see it and can instantly spot it's a basic mechanic kinda thing where they really have no idea what to do then you kinda just lose the will.

Then of course other times it's just people being impatient and straight up leaving because they have ADD and if it's not down in 5 seconds their head explodes and they start running around their room in circles whilst licking their keyboard.

Ultimately, if you want people to stick around through wipes, you need learning parties. If you want more learning parties, do the content when its fresh. Other than that you just have to wait for the next new content and plug along with the old stuff and deal with the group you get.

As for me, I just run with my FC or Static and PF when I feel like it. DF I just stay the hell away from these days unless its expert roulette.

[Miyu20]

OP, thank you for making such a seemingly rage inducing possibly troll sounding thread into a forum (in this case, thread) of intelligent conversation.

I don't have the time right now to quote and respond to everything I'd like to but I would like to add where I think the elitist attitude comes from.

Just to give you a little bit of background, I have cleared T12, learning T13 now. Some people use the term elitist to describe people who put them down while they are learning the content in a learning party. Sometimes as a joke to put down their friends. Sometimes it's used to describe people who raid as if by raiding alone makes them an elitist.

Elitist is used in many more ways and in many more circumstances. I have even thought myself to be falling into the elitist group at one time because I was getting mad at people who were still learning (the fight for the first time or as a new class).

Anyways, I think Elitists (this term) should be reserved for people who hold the attitude that other players should play the "right way" right now and/or to clear them/carry them through content (be it a simple dungeon like Haukke Manor to T13) without putting any effort into learning the mechanics be that if they are new or experienced or fatigued or alien or whatever.

If people put effort into learning, be that at the time for people who like not watching videos or before hand for people who watch videos, they are not bad. There could be a multitude of reasons why what happened happened. (Today, I felt really bad for talking about somebody who didn't accept the raise instantly at the end of an ST run for half the fight, I said to the party, let's kick him... Then he came back and said... I participated through everything else and I had to pick up my 4 year old child) Even then I am not elitist but I was an asshole.

If you say during a farm party that you will let someone have the dragoon gear and agree to that deal and then proceed to roll on it.. You are an Asshole, not an elitist.

Elitists are people who want things done their way now and want everything done for them without any difficulty or frustration. These are the people who buy clears for farms and to an extent the people who sell these clears.(As their motivation is to earn a quick buck now without any difficulty or frustration) This is also the people who buy Gil from Gil'Sellspam hello my friend, I have a frocking message for you, creators of bots like you and buyers of your wares are the ones that are truly poisoning this game and making things more annoying for the rest of us. If you have this attitude more than you don't, please log off and never come back to this game.

Disagree with me all you want, this is my opinion. Sorry if I didn't convey my message properly. I will gladly elaborate if you have any questions.

Also Congratulations as well to person on Masamune who cleared T9 the other day. Good job. Go for Final Witness Status! ^^/ May I add you as I have an alt on Madamune o/ ^^

Edit: I don't believe you are an elitist for not wanting to lose in content and only wanting to win. But at the same time if you've wiped in that content before or have been helped ^^ Come on, you should help! This does not apply to you if you help people on a regular basis! ^^ Keep joining those learning parties!

[Jamein]

into a forum (in this case, thread) of intelligent conversation.

What forums are you reading?!

[ElHeggunte]

I only skimmed the OP and I'm too lazy to read through the rest of the replies, but I'll say there's nothing inherently wrong with being "elitist". The problem is some people don't seem to realize you can be elitist without being an asshole.

[GenJoe]

I only skimmed the OP and I'm too lazy to read through the rest of the replies, but I'll say there's nothing inherently wrong with being "elitist". The problem is some people don't seem to realize you can be elitist without being an asshole.

The biggest problem I see is people often use the word elitist to describe anybody that claims or acts as they know more than one self. But the simple fact is, there are always people who's gone further than you have and seen more than you have.. When people refuse to accept advice that comes from experience, that's when it becomes problematic.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained

Yeah.. guess what, my friend got stuck at 1200s before finally giving up and switching to a ret pally while I was working my way over into 2000s with a viable composition.

There's a reason hundreds and thousands of other people have a thing called a "standard" cookie cutter build.. It's not because they lack creativity or vision, simply, it is the most ideal solution that was reached by the general consensus. Can there be other solutions? Of course, but if thousands of people before you didn't find it, then likely, the solution's already been optimized.

Try playing every game with a friend who just doesn't know when to give up and you'll soon find out what I mean. He literally tried to dps as a MRD in this game while tanking dungeons.. Then tried to heal as Pally.. tries the most ridiculous builds and it's all fun and games until he tries to get into an arena group with you -_-


P.S. If you think I'm veering off topic here, I'm just giving an example of how some "elitists" may feel. They can already see when it's not going to work, but some people just refuse to accept the truth.

[Loren]

I'll be the first to admit that I'm just bad at Titan Extreme, I seem to struggle with it. I've seen the videos, understand in my head what should happen, but I'm not the best at dodging his moves, an one mistake can kill ya. But then thats way I tend to avoid it on a normal bases and have yet to beat it. And I'm afraid that if I enter as a White Mage, I'd end up killing the group.

I've been stuck at this point for awhile now and thinking I just might need to save up some gil.

[Miyu20]

Mr Loren, please do not become discouraged and think you have to save up Gil in order to clear content. Please just continue practicing ^^ Most of the time in my experience, if you tell people in a clear party "I haven't cleared this yet but I've gotten past the Gaolers and am screwing up on the Boulders... They will explain it to you and/or let you in their part or kick you out.

Worst they can do is say sorry but no.

Communicate to people and they will communicate back. Don't be silent. This is what an MMO is all about!! I wish I could help you get some practice in on DF...I am in the same Data Centre as you!!

What I posted up there was long and drawn out but basically I'm saying don't support the people who want you to pay for carries or pay for clears... They are the true elitists and are taking advantage of people's discouragement for a quick buck! Don't give in.... That's just as bad as someone who would buy Gil because it's quick.

Work hard, Titan Ex is not easy but if you clear it after practicing and struggling by yourself, not with someone you paid to carry you, I promise you, it will be a lot more satisfying! ^^