1vs1 Duel Battles

[Vandril]

People always complain about this and that about class balance whenever the idea is brought up. Often times it involves BLM and how cast interrupts work in PvP. I can see the concerns for that, but...

Does every feature have to be so perfectly balanced? I'd rather this feature exist for fun and be terribly imbalanced than to have it not exist at all. Just don't tie anything to it - no achievements, ratings, points, or whatever else.

I wanted it, want it, and will always want it.

[Hiruke]

People always complain about this and that about class balance whenever the idea is brought up. Often times it involves BLM and how cast interrupts work in PvP. I can see the concerns for that, but...

Does every feature have to be so perfectly balanced? I'd rather this feature exist for fun and be terribly imbalanced than to have it not exist at all. Just don't tie anything to it - no achievements, ratings, points, or whatever else.

I wanted it, want it, and will always want it.

You clearly don't play BLM, then. It's basically an automatic loss. BLM only functions as a support to other people. It's like being in a real life battle and sending an archer to fight some cavalry point blank. It doesn't work out. Also, how casters work in FFXIV PvP is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You're essentially useless unless you can get the rest of your team to constantly attack whoever is attacking you in particular. Good luck with that.

[Vandril]

You clearly don't play BLM, then. It's basically an automatic loss. BLM only functions as a support to other people. It's like being in a real life battle and sending an archer to fight some cavalry point blank. It doesn't work out. Also, how casters work in FFXIV PvP is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You're essentially useless unless you can get the rest of your team to constantly attack whoever is attacking you in particular. Good luck with that.

I've clearly never played BLM because...I said that most people bring up attack-interrupts as a balancing concern for 1v1 dueling? You realize I never agreed with nor disagreed with this concept, right? And that all I did was mention that it's often brought up as a concern in topics like this?

The very point of my previous post was that this imbalance in 1v1 for dueling shouldn't even begin to factor into the decision of whether or not duels are a good feature for the game. If it's an "automatic loss", then you don't have to 1v1 as a BLM against a Melee in a duel, should the feature exist. Dueling would be all about enjoyment and practice...and roleplay, I suppose.

[Cookymon]

People always complain about this and that about class balance whenever the idea is brought up. Often times it involves BLM and how cast interrupts work in PvP. I can see the concerns for that, but...

Does every feature have to be so perfectly balanced? I'd rather this feature exist for fun and be terribly imbalanced than to have it not exist at all. Just don't tie anything to it - no achievements, ratings, points, or whatever else.

I wanted it, want it, and will always want it.

Which is why games should be designed with PvP in mind first and everything else second (and even further back when it comes to neon coloured ponies as mounts).
It's easy rnough to ramp up the HP of an NPC to adjust to a combo X or give him a new ability or some such - that isn't quite possible with established players.

I have to agree this needs more PvP though.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

People always complain about this and that about class balance whenever the idea is brought up. Often times it involves BLM and how cast interrupts work in PvP. I can see the concerns for that, but...

Does every feature have to be so perfectly balanced? I'd rather this feature exist for fun and be terribly imbalanced than to have it not exist at all. Just don't tie anything to it - no achievements, ratings, points, or whatever else.

I wanted it, want it, and will always want it.

Thank you so much for saying this.

[Vandril]

and i dont want to talk about 1vs1 duel in PVE game

That's fine, because FFXIV is not a "PVE game". Yes, it's a PvE-centric game, but it also does have PvP content. You can believe it is what you wish, but the truth is evident in the content.

Besides, if you don't want to talk about 1v1 PvP for a "PVE game", then why are you even in this thread, talking about 1v1 PvP for what you consider a "PVE game"? <.<

Which is why games should be designed with PvP in mind first and everything else second (and even further back when it comes to neon coloured ponies as mounts).
It's easy rnough to ramp up the HP of an NPC to adjust to a combo X or give him a new ability or some such - that isn't quite possible with established players.

I have to agree this needs more PvP though.

At a glance, I have to agree. However, as a game designer in training, I am forced to admit that it's likely not so simple. It's not as though PvE is comprised entirely of health pools and damage. That's only as true for PvE as it is for PvP. Just like PvP, PvE has many unique mechanics that make it tick. A game designed from the ground up for PvP is very likely to have less compelling PvE than one designed for PvE and adapted to PvP. And, to be frank, PvE is the bigger bread-winner in MMORPGs.

Ultimately, what the game was designed for is a moot point. Either way, there's little reason the end result can't be satisfactory for both PvE and PvP. Most MMORPGs just seem to avoid trying too hard to come up with solid mechanics to balance things. FFXIV's "casters are interrupted when hit" mechanic is an example of extremely lazy "balance mechanics", but the problem is that the MMORPG standard solution of interrupt abilities for every character isn't a great solution, either.

It's just a sticky situation. There is no obvious miracle answer which would give the best of both worlds.

Thank you so much for saying this.

I only spoke the truth.

I. Will ALWAYS. Want. Duels.

And there's no good reason not to have them.

[jinda]

one of the main reasons why pvp is not working with the current pvp system is the lack of the fundamental aspect,which is 1 vs1.i am not a game developer but as a gamer, i see that as the main cause. pvp in ints current state is nothing but a mess because of the failure to give the demands of pvp players.

[jinda]

its time to for you to voice out thos thread to the director. Please hear the pros and cons of this feature and i guarantee you a blast for this game

[CeveArthu]

its time to for you to voice out thos thread to the director. Please hear the pros and cons of this feature and i guarantee you a blast for this game

Pros:
+ No longer need 8 people for one person to demolish a smack talker

Cons:
- 1 extra game mode, splitting queues up even more than they are already
- game isnt balanced around 1v1 unless its a mirror match up
- healer mirror matchups are incredibly boring
- non mirror match ups vs a healer are incredibly boring and a free win for the healer if he has a brain
- will most likely introduce the "1v1 me bro" egotistical players who arn't skilled in team matches, generally bringing with them a very toxic and vocal way of thinking

[Srab]

That's fine, because FFXIV is not a "PVE game". Yes, it's a PvE-centric game, but it also does have PvP content. You can believe it is what you wish, but the truth is evident in the content.

Besides, if you don't want to talk about 1v1 PvP for a "PVE game", then why are you even in this thread, talking about 1v1 PvP for what you consider a "PVE game"? <.<

90% of class skills for pve you cant get real 1 vs 1 with that