Fan Census: This is embarrassing

[Zephyr-Umbra]

Response.

I wasn't taking it personally, implications that i am are puzzling since nothing in my post was said which implies anger/frustration but instead highlighting rude peoples responses and explaining why they're wrong.

Also why would you take what i said out of context and re-arrange it into

do you know the definition of facts ... i feel sorry for you.

because this would be a grave misuse of what i actually said bordering on slander, and much more resembles a personal attack which is ironic but very disingenuous on your part. Also i don't remember mentioning myself being intelligent, excuse me if i just expect people to use the words of the language they're speaking in correctly, but attempting to belittle what i've said in such a way as implying i think i'm self absorbed genius when i made no implication of being so is quite sad.

And to reiterate, all i did was call out said person for calling out others in a rude way, and he/she got defensive in return(once more ironic because he/she called out people in this thread for being defensive.) and responded in such a way, sorry i don't handhold special snow flakes if they choose to be ignorant to what i've said and respond rudely they can be called out for it, the white knighting on your part is cute however.

If people don't want to play nice, they can't expect others to do the same when dealing with them.

[Natashio]

Can we just let this one die....ah shiiiiiiiii...........

I'll go fill up my pop corn again...

[Malevicton]

Also why would you take what i said out of context and re-arrange it into because this would be a grave misuse of what i actually said bordering on slander, and much more resembles a personal attack which is ironic but very disingenuous on your part.

sorry i don't handhold special snow flakes if they choose to be ignorant to what i've said and respond rudely they can be called out for it, the white knighting on your part is cute however..

Sorry, don't know how I could've mistakenly thought you were taking things personally.

[Wildsprite]

why would we be competing? it's an MMO for crying out loud. you want competition go play a fighting game or one of those blasted FPS games where people gank you.

[RyuRoots]

You mean the goal of completing the most interesting storyline in the game, which the dev team spent millions of dollars making amazing and exclusive cutscenes for, before 3.0? Don't people usually play Final Fantasy games for the story? That seems like a pretty huge motivating factor to me.

Also, 'generic' gear that, according to the census, only 2-5% of the NA/EU population is wearing? If that gear is generic, what does it make the stuff you wear that literally every level 50 character has easy access to? Are you only calling it generic to delegitimize it because you don't have it and don't want others to feel special for having it? (And BiS is worth a lot more than 1%- I'm not sure why this common logical fallacy still persists to this day. Do you even numbers bro?)

The bottom line is, if it really is just a matter of you not having or wanting to spend the time acquiring it, that's fine and understandable, no one can hold that against you and you could leave it at that. But you're attacking it and the achievement others feel by obtaining it. What's the point of that?

Firstly, I say that hiding the lore behind the hardest content in the game was a stupid decision, and it makes me just give up on it because it's not worth the headache of trying to find a static full of people who aren't total a-holes (which has been horrifyingly difficult in my experience). I'd rather do story light repetitive content with friends and people I like being around even though I wanna know what happened.

Secondly, Dreadwyrm gear is generic that that it is generic by MMO standards. It is tacky, gaudy, and is generic "powerul"; gold trim, sharp things everywhere, blah blah. Doesn't get more boring than that if you ask me which is sad, since the first and second coil gears look great still. Also BiS makes no difference practically except FOR the hardest contents in the game. Which you have to clear to get BiS. The vast majority of people I've talked to about it (which is just about everyone on my FL at this point) don't care at all.

By the same token; if you wanna try it, do it, then great, good for you. But the premise of this thread is an idiotic one. "Oh no not enough people are doing coil". Who gives a crap? If you wanna do it, do it. If you don't, don't. Not like the population has any obligation to care about it.

[raelgun]

why would we be competing? it's an MMO for crying out loud. you want competition go play a fighting game or one of those blasted FPS games where people gank you.

Whats wrong with competition? Even Yoshi P congratulated lucrieza for their world first, and hell even blue garter for T9 normal mode clear, and yes, this is an mmo, this is not a come over for tea party game either.

[Wildsprite]

Whats wrong with competition? Even Yoshi P congratulated lucrieza for their world first, and hell even blue garter for T9 normal mode clear, and yes, this is an mmo, this is not a come over for tea party game either.

what's wrong with most of the competition I see in this game is it gets nasty. friendly competition I'm ok with but a lot of people get downright nasty if they think you are a better player than they are.
I play this for fun, not to compete with anyone.

[raelgun]

what's wrong with most of the competition I see in this game is it gets nasty. friendly competition I'm ok with but a lot of people get downright nasty if they think you are a better player than they are.
I play this for fun, not to compete with anyone.

That is player dispute and it should not be bulldozed out of the way, let us players deal with that, if you don't want to then stay clear from it, and its fine if you don't want to compete, just let that only fall on your self and don't take others fun away.

You have your choice, don't take others people choices away and if that means some people butting heads then so be it, its all part of the social element with mmos/human society.

[TheFatHousecat]

But the premise of this thread is an idiotic one. "Oh no not enough people are doing coil". Who gives a crap? If you wanna do it, do it. If you don't, don't. Not like the population has any obligation to care about it.

The devs care, for one. They spend millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours working on this stuff. The less people do the content, the less they'll budget for it in the future. They less they budget for it, the less there is. The less there is, the more raiders (whether softcore, midcore or hardcore) will leave the game seeking greener pastures with more raider-focused content.

Raiders, demographically, are incidentally also the most likely to stay subscribed for long consecutive stretches of time, where non-raiders and more casual players are generally more likely to sub 1-3 months on then take some months off, resubbing for new major content patches. Considering raiders are the most likely to log on every day and stay subbed for many months consecutively, whether you like to admit it or not- they form the backbone of the game's community. They keep the community alive while so many others take their 3/6/9+ months off.

A thriving MMO needs this demographic, and it needs as many of them as it can get... without alienating the more casual/non-raiding audience. People want to know why WoW is so successful? This is why. Devs try to please both sides closer to 50/50, because in spite of casual/non-raiders comprising proportionally a much larger segment of their audience, mid-to-hardcores/raiders consume MUCH more content and consume it MUCH more quickly. So they need more to keep them interested, so they'll stick around. So far, FFXIV has been more like 80/20 in favor of the casual/non-raiding demographic, and they're losing a lot of raiders to other games over time.

It's a really fine line to walk, but the better you walk it, the more successful your game will be. But this is why adding easy story modes to raids for people who only care about story and aren't interested in the challenging grind is actually a really, really good thing. More people will see your content, so your development dollars get a better return. It's also more efficient from a development standpoint, because instead of having to design entirely separate content for the two sides of the coin, you now already have the basic structure to work with and you create an alternate version of it using the same tools. Kind of like the FFXIII series using the same graphics engine to make separate games- this is much more efficient than making a new and different engine for each game in the series.

This means everybody wins. Development costs less and is more time-efficient, giving them more time and money to spend developing more new content. As long as that content follows the same pattern of having something for both crowds, it's a benefit for everyone.

In the meantime, though- no, people don't have an obligation to care about the content. But the premise of the thread is still important, whether or not it's phrased imperfectly. If we want to continue getting interesting, high-quality content every few months... people need to care about it. Devs are doing their part to make it easier for everyone to care in 3.0, but in the meantime that "no care" attitude is why devs scrap savage coil plans in favor of more Hildebrand garbage.

Yes, more people care about Hildebrand than savage coil- but the people who care about Hildebrand are also less likely to stick around for as long and/or spend as much time and energy on the game as people who care about savage coil. Does it really make sense to cater only to what they care about and ignore the stuff your actual core audience (ie: the lifers, who play the game 4+ hours a day every day for years) cares about?

Not if you want your game to stick around. FFXI knew this, and look how long it has lasted. And FFXI suffered from the opposite problem- catering primarily to hardcores over casual players, and lost most of its casual demographic as a result. Imagine how much more successful FFXI could have been if it had done more to please the casual demographic sooner (assuming it wouldn't be at the expense of the midcore/hardcore demo). On the other hand, MMOs that cater 90-95% to the casual demographic and have little, if anything, for the midcore/hardcore demo... tend not to last very long at all, and aren't very financially successful. Do you imagine that's a coincidence?

It isn't. And that's why the topic matters, and why people care about it. Devs especially.

[Mercutial]

Yes, more people care about Hildebrand than savage coil- but the people who care about Hildebrand are also less likely to stick around for as long and/or spend as much time and energy on the game as people who care about savage coil. Does it really make sense to cater only to what they care about and ignore the stuff your actual core audience (ie: the lifers, who play the game 4+ hours a day every day for years) cares about?

This is absolutely the top o' the mountain gospel truth right here. And is something that so many have a hard time wrapping their minds around. Are top-tier raiders in the minority? Yes. But adjusted for actual play time and content consumption, I'd emphatically agree that the playing field is much more level.