summoner dps how to do it

[Havenchild]

What about this set ?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QH69

This I would say is pretty decent but the Crit is too low.
Through my playing of SMN, I noticed there are what I would describe as noticeable thresholds of Crit. They occur at 520+, 530+ then 545+. The lowest amount I would personally ever recommend is 520 crit.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QH6R - This build would be a nice balance between my recommendation and your build.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QH6T - Switching the bracelet for the poetics here gives you a bigger Crit ceiling. Would be good to test out either of these.
For any build however, if you find yourself over ACC by a decent amount, it's time to evaluate a crafted item and how much Crit / Det you can gain when you sub out INT if ACC isn't an issue.

This answers this:

The Demon shoes are probably BiS if you consider the stat weight... Sad thing is our Flank acc cap... which means the crafted shoes penta-melded are more usefull than the Demon's ones.

The reason I don't consider the Demon shoes to be BiS despite the very nice stats, is because you will have ACC problems or your Spell speed is too low in any build you can make that pushes the your stats to the limit.

How many INT do we need to compensate 1 Matk from a weapon ?
How many DET do we need to compensate 1 INT ?
What is the value of CRIT and is ACC more important than other stats ?

Here I see that Demon's Robe seems better than Augmented Ironworks Robe.
Are we sure that +31 DET is better than +5 INT ? We also lose some 16 CRIT.
Also, acc cap would be hard to get without the deadwyrm robe

What is the truth behind this ? Is a 120 item a better BiS than a 130 ?

Well let's play with the theorectical stat weights at the moment. 1 Int is equal to about 3.5 DET. Which would mean 5 Int is equal to 17.5 DET. From in-game testing however I feel its slightly lower then that. I think 5 INT is closer to what 15 DET will give you when you consider the pet as well. I think and always consider my builds in a 1 INT = 3 DET roughly.

INT to MD atm is roughly 6.9INT = 1 MD or 20-24 DET

I explained my thresholds of crit and what I felt was valuable numbers as of 2.55. ACC above all else is the first stat you must cap. You CAN survive at 1 below the cap and do very well as I have proven this in SCOB. If you ever felt like 534 ACC (535 needed for T13 for pet) was cutting it too close you can make sure you position your pet on the rear instead of the flank. Pet position also is subject to the ACC required in my testing thus Ifrit / Garuda attacking a target from the rear is always going to be 100% even if it's one below the cap. When T9, was in progression, 491 was considered the 100% pet ACC however, I ran 490 ACC and picked up 30+ DET in the process and Garuda I noticed only missed 1 or 2 times per run during the final phase when the boss actually faced Garuda during the Supernovas. These misses in that small window however were largely outweighed by the damage I gained from that 30+ DET, thus making the 1 below ACC viable.

The problem with Ifrit however is that when a fight begins, you are required to start directly south in line with a target to pre-position Ifrit for this without having to move him. A boss like Imdugud for example that can shift his body in one skill to a point where Ifrit can jump from attacking the rear to now attacking the flank or even the front, is another thing to consider when evaluating this. Bahamut Prime atm, does not make any of these sudden shifts.

Sidenote: Bio 2, Bio and I believe ShadowFlare as well apply regardless of ACC out of the ACN skills, so fights like T11 that require consistent movement and a possibility to wind up in front of the boss to dodge Nerve Gas, these skills can be applied from directly in front even if you don't meet the front cap.

Now when I feel two builds are TOO close to really call from my personal use in-game with parser included, I use PuroStriders SMN calculator to see more in depth and compare the two. Granted it is outdated now with the slight changes that have occurred to SMN since Nov, but it still feels fairly accurate as to when I feel something is too close of a call, the calculator shows me the same.

PS: Again I would not use the calculator as a forefront for making a build. It is imperative you do constant testing in-game with parser above ALL ELSE including the current documented Stat weights each patch. At 2.4, I felt the stat weight shifted to the point where Crit / DET influenced your damage overall much more then before 2.4 for example, while the stat weights on Ariyala and calculator were both still showing data from previous patches.

[pandabearcat]

Please note you can also melee the boss while casting instantcasts.

Our autoattack isn't actually that bad!

[Judge_Xero]

Pet position also is subject to the ACC required in my testing

Interesting. I'd be tempted to play around with a build like this then

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QH8N

with focusing on Rear Accuracy for the pet.

[tikiwiki]

Ruin II + rouse
RuinII + spur

You should be able to do both rouse and spur after one ruin 2 and this will let you get enkindle out quicker while throwing out more ruins to save your mana

[Havenchild]

Interesting. I'd be tempted to play around with a build like this then

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QH8N

with focusing on Rear Accuracy for the pet.

No do not do this either. The rear may be lower for the pet then the flank but you will legitimately miss from everywhere with the pet at that accuracy. One below cap is as far as I would go. What I have noticed fiddling with ariyala is that SE makes a lot of gear that produces results that always find yourself at acc 1 single ploint below ACC cap for pet.

[Judge_Xero]

No do not do this either. The rear may be lower for the pet then the flank but you will legitimately miss from everywhere with the pet at that accuracy. One below cap is as far as I would go. What I have noticed fiddling with ariyala is that SE makes a lot of gear that produces results that always find yourself at acc 1 single ploint below ACC cap for pet.

Oh, isnt rear acc for T13 515? @ 100%
I figured 99.34% would be good enough to mess around with.

[Havenchild]

Oh, isnt rear acc for T13 515? @ 100%
I figured 99.34% would be good enough to mess around with.

It is but, I don't think pets go that low as well. I would say that the difference between rear and flank for pets on ACC is within 2 points of each other to be safe, which some may say, well what's the point then?

The point is what you can get from that 1 or 2 points of ACC that you can produce with the current gear. If it's absolutely worth the trade off to add in the risk factor, then do so as it will boost you in the end more often then not.

I don't expect anyone to follow to the T everything I claim and make builds around that. Everyone should do personal testing on things. I can only tell you the things I do to increase my DPS and stretch my builds to the limit. I'm sure there are people out there who pull very good SMN numbers perhaps even better then my own and at least I would like to know what they were pulling as well using theories / builds they've put together.

Leviathan Server DPS Doc
The gambles I made lead to these numbers before echo which some of these you have seen on the SMN DPS Doc outside of the T10 and T11.

Feeling out each point you add or subtract in your builds week after week is key to finding those optimal setups. I also kept trying new ways to increase my DPS passed what other people were doing on the SMN Doc, which is nice to see people somewhat elaborate on what they do.

[Judge_Xero]

It is but, I don't think pets go that low as well. I would say that the difference between rear and flank for pets on ACC is within 2 points of each other to be safe, which some may say, well what's the point then?

You are right. Pets accuracy is much different in general. I thought that their damage was just considered flank damage regardless of position so as for the reason for the higher accuracy requirement. Testing at the base accuracy on a lvl 50 dummy it turns out they are just so much lower in general.

Ifrit - 341 accuracy
Front 90%
Flank 94.8%
Rear 100%

Tested against other classes.

Front 94.8%
Flank 100%
Rear 100%

So that 515 min for rear acc would only give Ifrit about 95%

[pandabearcat]

Is pumping accuracy over your own cap worth it though? Summon autoattacks are simply another form of dot, you can average out the gain from pumping accuracy higher.

Maybe more of another stat is a better increase.

[SpookyGhost]

Small question: is the Demon robe actually weighted higher than the Augmented IW body? Last time I saw the math posted, IW was weighted higher. Did something change?