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    Havenchild's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Oh, isnt rear acc for T13 515? @ 100%
    I figured 99.34% would be good enough to mess around with.
    It is but, I don't think pets go that low as well. I would say that the difference between rear and flank for pets on ACC is within 2 points of each other to be safe, which some may say, well what's the point then?

    The point is what you can get from that 1 or 2 points of ACC that you can produce with the current gear. If it's absolutely worth the trade off to add in the risk factor, then do so as it will boost you in the end more often then not.

    I don't expect anyone to follow to the T everything I claim and make builds around that. Everyone should do personal testing on things. I can only tell you the things I do to increase my DPS and stretch my builds to the limit. I'm sure there are people out there who pull very good SMN numbers perhaps even better then my own and at least I would like to know what they were pulling as well using theories / builds they've put together.

    Leviathan Server DPS Doc
    The gambles I made lead to these numbers before echo which some of these you have seen on the SMN DPS Doc outside of the T10 and T11.

    Feeling out each point you add or subtract in your builds week after week is key to finding those optimal setups. I also kept trying new ways to increase my DPS passed what other people were doing on the SMN Doc, which is nice to see people somewhat elaborate on what they do.
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    It is but, I don't think pets go that low as well. I would say that the difference between rear and flank for pets on ACC is within 2 points of each other to be safe, which some may say, well what's the point then?
    You are right. Pets accuracy is much different in general. I thought that their damage was just considered flank damage regardless of position so as for the reason for the higher accuracy requirement. Testing at the base accuracy on a lvl 50 dummy it turns out they are just so much lower in general.

    Ifrit - 341 accuracy
    Front 90%
    Flank 94.8%
    Rear 100%

    Tested against other classes.

    Front 94.8%
    Flank 100%
    Rear 100%

    So that 515 min for rear acc would only give Ifrit about 95%
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 04-24-2015 at 01:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Leviathan Server DPS Doc
    The gambles I made lead to these numbers before echo which some of these you have seen on the SMN DPS Doc outside of the T10 and T11.
    What does your Egi rotation on T10 and 11 look like ? Do you use Garuda full time on T10 and Ifrit on T11 or do you switch the Egi's mid fights ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    What does your Egi rotation on T10 and 11 look like ? Do you use Garuda full time on T10 and Ifrit on T11 or do you switch the Egi's mid fights ?
    I use Ifrit on both T10 and T11 full time and constantly use his skills. I used to switch to Garuda for the add phase in T11 but using Ifrit on that phase and putting him on the melee node is still superior. I have a second caster in my current setup so I just do egg and melee node now.

    http://www.twitch.tv/rubykid15/c/6592866

    http://www.twitch.tv/rubykid15/c/6592885
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 04-25-2015 at 03:58 AM.

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    Is pumping accuracy over your own cap worth it though? Summon autoattacks are simply another form of dot, you can average out the gain from pumping accuracy higher.

    Maybe more of another stat is a better increase.
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    Small question: is the Demon robe actually weighted higher than the Augmented IW body? Last time I saw the math posted, IW was weighted higher. Did something change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    Small question: is the Demon robe actually weighted higher than the Augmented IW body? Last time I saw the math posted, IW was weighted higher. Did something change?
    Augmented IW Body has always been weighted higher. However, the Spellspeed does not necessarily help you whereas the DET from the Demon Robe of Casting will influence your damage much more then that 5 INT you would gain from using the Augmented IW, I find.

    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    Is pumping accuracy over your own cap worth it though? Summon autoattacks are simply another form of dot, you can average out the gain from pumping accuracy higher.

    Maybe more of another stat is a better increase.
    You want to gear for the ACC of the final raiding turn. This at current is 535 at the least. Anything over that should be attempted to be downsized when possible including but not limited to considering crafted gear as well.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 04-24-2015 at 10:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Augmented IW Body has always been weighted higher. However, the Spellspeed does not necessarily help you whereas the DET from the Demon Robe of Casting will influence your damage much more then that 5 INT you would gain from using the Augmented IW, I find.
    So do you parse higher using Demon Robe? Since Aug IW is weighted higher I never bothered to test my DPS using Demon Robe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatshine View Post
    So do you parse higher using Demon Robe? Since Aug IW is weighted higher I never bothered to test my DPS using Demon Robe.
    I've been trying it out on a dummy. Personally, it's fairly close but I'm still pulling about 5 DPS lower on average. Now granted I just swapped the tops, so that may not be the greatest comparison as I may also need to re-tweak my build in general to try and take advantage of the stats.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 04-27-2015 at 12:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    I've been trying it out on a dummy. Personally, it's fairly close but I'm still pulling about 5 DPS lower on average. Now granted I just swapped the tops, so that may not be the greatest comparison as I may also need to re-tweak my build in general to try and take advantage of the stats.
    Sweet thanks
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