FCoB ilvl Requirement too high?

[tjw]

I do think that crafted accessories should weigh in a little more for iLevel, especially if it's fully melded.

Actually, while the average iLvl doesn't take into account melds, SE did take them into account when making the iLvl requirements. T13, in particular, is ilvl123, which is exactly what you get if you have zeta weapon, i130 left hand side, and all i110 accessories. If you have a i130 or Zodiac (non Zeta), then one i130 accessory will bump you up to i123.

[seekified]

I think this is absolutely fine - you don't want people to be undergeared AND inexperienced when solo DFing endgame content. Very happy to see they took melds into account for T13 as well.

[Viridiana]

I think this is absolutely fine - you don't want people to be undergeared AND inexperienced when solo DFing endgame content. Very happy to see they took melds into account for T13 as well.

. . .What are we considering "undergeared"?

[LordLonghammer]

I think this is absolutely fine - you don't want people to be undergeared AND inexperienced when solo DFing endgame content. Very happy to see they took melds into account for T13 as well.

Doesn't matter, we've said time and time again. DF is fine it can be whatever, the problem is PF and full party runs with people you know. I rather have undergeared people that know what they're doing than people that have no idea what they're doing any day.

[seekified]

. . .What are we considering "undergeared"?

To be honest, I consider anything below 110 to be "undergeared-ish" these days simply because it's incredibly easy and cheap to get above that now.

Doesn't matter, we've said time and time again. DF is fine it can be whatever, the problem is PF and full party runs with people you know. I rather have undergeared people that know what they're doing than people that have no idea what they're doing any day.

Fair enough, and I agree to a point, but I still think getting above these requirements is easy enough that it's not too much to ask of anyone doing FCoB. I would definitely rather have someone who's skilled at i110 than someone who's full upgraded poetics but can't play his class or know the fight, though, as you say.

[Viridiana]

To be honest, I consider anything below 110 to be "undergeared-ish" these days simply because it's incredibly easy and cheap to get above that now.

But T10-T12 have been beaten at i110. And that's not i110 crafted, but Soldiery Gear and High Allagan Weapons. So, for T11 and T12, it's been beaten at lower ilvls. T13 they apparently made it to Akh Morn before wiping, but I somehow doubt tanks *need* another 13 ilvls of gear.

I fully realize that Lucrezia is not the standard we should all be held to, but if I were going to set a minimum, I would set it at "this is the lowest I've seen it cleared at" or "this is the lowest (as a dev) that I can model it being beaten at." Or, heck, if they want to impose higher ilvl limits than is strictly needed on groups that aren't preformed, that's fine. But there's no reason to put that limit on the preformed groups, too.

[Ritzin]

Fair enough, and I agree to a point, but I still think getting above these requirements is easy enough that it's not too much to ask of anyone doing FCoB.

Easy enough is debatable. Just because one can beat FCoB doesn't mean they have the time to farm it or cap poetics every week. This patch now means that the little time I spend with friends will likely have to be spent in 11 farming coats for people to fake ilvl with or farming a range of i130 accs for the same reason. Considering before we could just enter these later turns without any of these issues, this patch has done nothing but inconvenience us whilst a fix would affect nobody else's experience in any way whatsoever.

It's literally inexcusable.

[seekified]

You do realise that i110 gear has been available since patch 2.3, which was released last June, right? Asking for people who attempt what is literally the highest-level content in the game to at least have gear that is ten months old isn't asking much at all.

[PArcher]

Funnily enough, my main just makes the t13 requirement...perfect 123. I see why it's 123 too (fully melded right side tanks with 130 left are 123), but...idk, kinda wish the reqs were higher. People in the DF duck and there's little reason to be going in in <120 at this point.

[Viridiana]

You do realise that i110 gear has been available since patch 2.3, which was released last June, right? Asking for people who attempt what is literally the highest-level content in the game to at least have gear that is ten months old isn't asking much at all.

But that's not what's being asked. What's being asked is at least 7 pieces of i130 gear for T13 (if the rest are all i110). That's more than it takes to clear it by about 7 pieces.