FCoB ilvl Requirement too high?

[Ritzin]

Asking for people who attempt what is literally the highest-level content in the game to at least have gear that is ten months old isn't asking much at all.

In DF I agree. I ask though, how is this affecting you in any way? It's affecting me because regardless of whether you think individuals should be at that level, some are clearly not, many might not have even started playing until just recently, some might have taken long breaks. You know your group when you enter DF with a full party, you don't care about item levels because you know the players you're entering with, if it's a PF, you make the ilvl restriction yourself. There is literally no reason why this should be enforced on premade parties.

[dejavutwo]

Not really considering when I first started doing T13, I was i122 without any crafted gear, and was getting 1-shot by unavoidable mechanics.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Funnily enough, my main just makes the t13 requirement...perfect 123. I see why it's 123 too (fully melded right side tanks with 130 left are 123), but...idk, kinda wish the reqs were higher. People in the DF duck and there's little reason to be going in in <120 at this point.

At this point, there are plenty of "Poetic Heroes" or "Hunting Lords" as people name them with that ilvl who never tried to do Coil, yet. Heck, I was doing T7 with a friend and got a full ilvl 130 WHM (Poetics) doing that turn for the first time! So, expect the unexpected. I'll recommend you to queue up for these just for the lols. By the time being, for serious farm/progression, we still have our statics/FC and PF, which is pretty decent so far.

But T10-T12 have been beaten at i110. And that's not i110 crafted, but Soldiery Gear and High Allagan Weapons. So, for T11 and T12, it's been beaten at lower ilvls. T13 they apparently made it to Akh Morn before wiping, but I somehow doubt tanks *need* another 13 ilvls of gear.

I fully realize that Lucrezia is not the standard we should all be held to, but if I were going to set a minimum, I would set it at "this is the lowest I've seen it cleared at" or "this is the lowest (as a dev) that I can model it being beaten at." Or, heck, if they want to impose higher ilvl limits than is strictly needed on groups that aren't preformed, that's fine. But there's no reason to put that limit on the preformed groups, too.

We cleared T10 with ilvl 110 (First week). T11 with ilvl 110 as well (Second week). T12 with ilvl 112-ish (Third week). So yeah, it's really possible. As for Ahk Morn, 9k HP (PLD) is more than enough. You can even have a bit less. On Ahk Morn, with 8,8k HP, I never went below the 40% of HP during that. We weren't a super hardcore group but a regular static.

[Viridiana]

Not really considering when I first started doing T13, I was i122 without any crafted gear, and was getting 1-shot by unavoidable mechanics.

Was that 122 mostly right side, or left? Because if it were mostly left side, that shouldn't be happening. Your comment more aptly demonstrates a different problem with the ilvls in this game, which is that they aren't weighted at all.

[seekified]

In DF I agree. I ask though, how is this affecting you in any way? It's affecting me because regardless of whether you think individuals should be at that level, some are clearly not, many might not have even started playing until just recently, some might have taken long breaks. You know your group when you enter DF with a full party, you don't care about item levels because you know the players you're entering with, if it's a PF, you make the ilvl restriction yourself. There is literally no reason why this should be enforced on premade parties.

Yeah, I get you now - agreed. I'll still say that I had a break between late 2.2 and the release of 2.4 and still got to i118 by the time the towers weekly quest was introduced, at which point it became trivial to get another 6-8 iLevels. People returning from breaks right now shouldn't expect to be able to jump into all the fancy stuff right away, but yes - in PF, we should be the ones to decide.

[RinKaen]

...You started with a negative comment suggesting he shouldn't play anything other than his primary class, and now are - if I'm making sense of this - making negative comments at people who don't play anything other than their primary class

is that what I'm reading in this conversation or am I missing something?

I was talking about you.

WHM isn't my main class, but I'm able to do so plenty effectively enough to make up for the fact my FC doesn't have anyone else who A. runs coil and B. does WHM. I doubt I'm the only one in this situation. Being a class that isn't your main preferred one doesn't mean you're bad at it.

There isnt a sufficient amount of any classes on any server. You don't have to play a job you don't normally play just because they need someone. I can only see someone using that logic if They played in a closed minded environment.

[dejavutwo]

Was that 122 mostly right side, or left? Because if it were mostly left side, that shouldn't be happening. Your comment more aptly demonstrates a different problem with the ilvls in this game, which is that they aren't weighted at all.

All I had was the i130 weapon and a few pieces of i130 jewelery. I was just shy of the minimum hp. Like 1 left side item was enough to push me over that threshold, but I survived stuff with 10-50 hp left over so frequently.

[Alistaire]

It is funny though that a tank 130 left side and hybrid accessories falls short for t13. Hits 122 average, which really should have been considered enough. Hell, anyone with all 130 left side should be fine with 110 accessories even nonmelded, but then that's the ilvl system for ya.

[SpookyGhost]

It is funny though that a tank 130 left side and hybrid accessories falls short for t13. Hits 122 average, which really should have been considered enough. Hell, anyone with all 130 left side should be fine with 110 accessories even nonmelded, but then that's the ilvl system for ya.

Yeah, my one huge gripe with this is the t13 req. i123? With 10% Echo? Christ.

[RinKaen]

It is funny though that a tank 130 left side and hybrid accessories falls short for t13. Hits 122 average, which really should have been considered enough. Hell, anyone with all 130 left side should be fine with 110 accessories even nonmelded, but then that's the ilvl system for ya.

You can change gear inside, not sure why this is a problem for you.