summoner dps how to do it

[Judge_Xero]

Yeah but if we are supposed 2 have 3min parse then it is viable option. It also depends on fight duration. You probably do it yourself too if you had only 1k mana left after 3min. If you know how 2 control your mana you should survive around 7 - 8 min without mana problems. Or probably you used ruin2 more than you are supposed 2 be.

this is with 2k mana left and without using any potions
http://i.imgur.com/GvgnGlx.jpg

EDIT: I m running with t13 accuracy. Maybe without accuracy smn can reach 600~ against dummy in 3min fight.

I tried and I tried but I can't get over even 360 after 30 minutes for just the Summoner. (no food solo no pots or poison pots)

The best I could do is:
185 Ifrit
355 SMN
over 3 minutes. (with a whole lotta book smacks)

Total 540 - so not too bad that it only drops another 20 DPS over then next 3 minutes.

[Havenchild]

I tried and I tried but I can't get over even 360 after 30 minutes for just the Summoner. (no food solo no pots or poison pots)

The best I could do is:
185 Ifrit
355 SMN
over 3 minutes. (with a whole lotta book smacks)

Total 540 - so not too bad that it only drops another 20 DPS over then next 3 minutes.

The current build you use as well as execution of skills will be key for it. I also heavily consider it a rotation thing. I tried the start with Bio thing + Ifrit and I always parse lower with it. If it is infact a better opener as you say, then I'd like to hear your exact opener skill for skill all the way till your third Fester, that is resulting in this DPS increase that's noticeable. If through testing it is in fact a better opener then what I'm currently doing then I can go slightly higher on these 3min tests.

Doing the Bio2 - Miasma - Bio setup open, I am reaching the same consistently with this build: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PZI3. 369 is the lowest I usually wind up on. Highest was probably 378-380ish on a crit friendly run. It tends to stay in the 370-375 area subject to crits.

http://i.imgur.com/sWZbcaF.png

http://i.imgur.com/sbVo6C5.png

this is with 2k mana left and without using any potions

I'm slightly perplexed at this. I am doing an optimal rotation but I am at around 1200-1300 MP at this point. I know you have over 150 more MP then me with 23 Peity but Aetherflow alone wouldn't account I don't believe for a 700 or so MP difference over the 3 min parse. So I'm kinda curious as to how you retain this much MP, that's different from an optimal rotation, outside of Energy Drain usage.

[Sunako]

I'm slightly perplexed at this. I am doing an optimal rotation but I am at around 1200-1300 MP at this point. I know you have over 150 more MP then me with 23 Peity but Aetherflow alone wouldn't account I don't believe for a 700 or so MP difference over the 3 min parse. So I'm kinda curious as to how you retain this much MP, that's different from an optimal rotation, outside of Energy Drain usage.

23 piety on relic should not make more than 100 mp difference every minute so 300 mp overall. If i can guess you are using ruin 2 more than you are supposed 2 do. Use your off globals every time during you apply bio or swiftcast shadow flare if possible. You can apply bio 3 - 4 times in a minute that should be enough time 2 do full stack of aetherflow for the fester.

[Havenchild]

23 piety on relic should not make more than 100 mp difference every minute so 300 mp overall. If i can guess you are using ruin 2 more than you are supposed 2 do. Use your off globals every time during you apply bio or swiftcast shadow flare if possible. You can apply bio 3 - 4 times in a minute that should be enough time 2 do full stack of aetherflow for the fester.

I only Ruin 2, when Fester / Aetherflow is about to come up or before Rouse or Spur is to be applied, which is technically the "optimal" way of playing ? iirc

I'm doing all you just said, nothing is accounting for that much of a difference lol

Are you using Ruin I instead when you're about to use Fester? Because outside of that I can't see anything else. Some people occasionally do that.

The answer to this I would agree is definitely Ruin 2, but just not sure what should be done different that's still "optimal" I suppose.

[Judge_Xero]

The current build you use as well as execution of skills will be key for it. I also heavily consider it a rotation thing. I tried the start with Bio thing + Ifrit and I always parse lower with it. If it is infact a better opener as you say, then I'd like to hear your exact opener skill for skill all the way till your third Fester, that is resulting in this DPS increase that's noticeable. If through testing it is in fact a better opener then what I'm currently doing then I can go slightly higher on these 3min tests.

Doing the Bio2 - Miasma - Bio setup open, I am reaching the same consistently with this build: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PZI3. 369 is the lowest I usually wind up on. Highest was probably 378-380ish on a crit friendly run. It tends to stay in the 370-375 area subject to crits.

I will try the different opener to see if it helps, but it's hard to imagine that changing my order of casts and not getting that second Bio under Raging Strikes would actually increase my DPS.
I can understand that you would do much more damage than me considering your gearset.

Sunako - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QEWG
Judge - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QGDR
HavenChild - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PZI3

But Sunako and I are nearly identical other than ~ 2% Crit Rate and I have more Spell Speed, yet they can pull amazing IMO damage. (*** I have to swap gear around for FCOB for accuracy till I get that stupid Casting Hat)

My Opener. Ifrit Placed next to the Dummy in a position where I don't turn away when using pet buffs)

Shadow Flare (activate AA near the end of the cast)
RS, B, Rouse/Spur, M (Crimson Cyclone), B2 (Flaming Crush), R2 + Fester + Enkindle, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B + Fester (waiting for ~1/2 before Fester so that Bio registers), Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, SC SF (fester + Aether Flow), M, B2

That's about it.

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Edited

Tried Opening with RS, B2, M, B, SC SF but the most I could get was 345 (SMN Only) just over 3 minutes.