More fun times in WoD

[Adire]

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WoD is actually very casual content. It's not hard to heal there for me. I actually find it very easy, as do many other people. I played to the best of my ability, just didn't have all the abilities available. Why? Because they are unnecessary and actually are only conveniences for me in WoD.

And as someone else said, the idea that healers have to dps really does need to stop. There is not a dps check in the game that is so hard that healers are required to dps in order to meet it, only ones that are too hard for some dps to be skilled enough for. Healer dps should be a bonus, not a requirement.

It's always easy to blame the healer though, even for dps lacking. It's an MMO tradition.

[nuyu11]

Last few days, I queue for WoD around 4am... at cerberus part I accidentally go to team A but I'm actually from C team. They mad at me like hell....
So sleepy and my mistake there. I just acting like nothing happen and go back to my group with thick skin and after that we kill that 3 head dog like normal. I have no intention to troll or anything it's 4am.

[NinjaTaru72]

Don't get me wrong tc, I'm not saying this bad itself, as it's nice for people to "break the mold" , I'm just saying please do it with friends/fc members, not with Df randoms as it can/may upset people. Take this thread. For example. I'm honestly they didn't kick you for "trolling" whether your good at it or not lol.

[LTEvil]

I'm impressed this is still going. So...I have a question...if I'm tanking have aggro on a mob and you won't get it off me anytime soon can I just not do any damage skills till I need hate? I am a tank after all.

That question is for "I just heal players"
According to their logic good news brd no more need to play songs. You are dps. Who cares if everyone runs out of mana. I get that you are saying dps as healer is optional but you need to put way more context. So any new player understands that you are playing less than your best if you do this.

[Wobi]

WoD is actually very casual content. It's not hard to heal there for me. I actually find it very easy, as do many other people. I played to the best of my ability, just didn't have all the abilities available. Why? Because they are unnecessary and actually are only conveniences for me in WoD.

And as someone else said, the idea that healers have to dps really does need to stop. There is not a dps check in the game that is so hard that healers are required to dps in order to meet it, only ones that are too hard for some dps to be skilled enough for. Healer dps should be a bonus, not a requirement.

It's always easy to blame the healer though, even for dps lacking. It's an MMO tradition.

If it's that easy then there is no reason that a quick Bio/Aero maybe even a Miasma II or Holy could be dropped on the trash packs. As you said it's really "casual"... which must explain why I see at least 4-5 wipes a week on a regular basis. I'm not asking for full on multi-tasking stance dancing here. Just don't stand around doing absolutely nothing, which I see often.

I find it funnier when people get upset with me for DPS and no ones health has dropped below 85%, because overhealing is totally pro. No one is blaming healers, quit making things up. The blame lies with people on any job/class slacking off expecting the rest of the raid do carry them to the end. If someone plans to join and they plan to lot on the gear then I fully expect them to put in some actual effort.

I mark AFK players in WoD now so others take note of people sitting there doing nothing the entire battle and kick them afterwards, others should follow suit and you'd have a lot less of this problem occuring.

[SpookyGhost]

If you're going CNJ, DPS would actually be in your benefit since you gain really good offensive CDs that could make up for the drop in MND. You also lose PoM and your AOE is going to be crap with no Holy, but your single target should be the same if not better. So your only real plus of going CNJ is to DPS harder (potentially), so I'd suggest doing that if you're going to goof around with it anyway. Prove your worth. ;P

[Kuurei]

I'm impressed this is still going. So...I have a question...if I'm tanking have aggro on a mob and you won't get it off me anytime soon can I just not do any damage skills till I need hate? I am a tank after all.

That question is for "I just heal players"
According to their logic good news brd no more need to play songs. You are dps. Who cares if everyone runs out of mana. I get that you are saying dps as healer is optional but you need to put way more context. So any new player understands that you are playing less than your best if you do this.

Slight flaw with this argument, from a tank perspective though: Once a tank gets aggro, if the DPS are any good, they HAVE to keep their rotation going or risk losing it. It's why we have Provoke for those situations where a DPS goes a little too ham. Healers however, have very little to do once the party is managing to maintain over 70% hp consistently. This would be a good point, if it looks like DPS is lagging behind, for the healer to pitch in a little bit -- ESPECIALLY scholars.

Not saying healers absolutely have to DPS, however you're also dead weight if your group is more than capable of pulling through trash/bosses without the need to heal and you are sitting there doing nothing.

[Adire]

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I was dpsing when able to. I just wasn't holying. I was even trying to dps a head with high health with stone II + Aero I & II (which is superior to holy in single target dps) to try and lessen the disparity between the heads, as if the lowest head would have died, the others would not have died in time for the faster cast. Even as a WHM, I never overuse holy. It's an MP hog, and is no replacement for dps failing en masse. When you've got people dying left and right, as is frequent in WoD, that MP holy would use is better spent on doing your primary job, raising as a healer. If a group is relying on holy spam to meet a dps check, it's playing with fire. Holy is just a bonus.

Holy is a bonus if people use it, it was not intended to be a viable replacement for a lack of dps. If it was, it wouldn't cost so much MP.

If it comes to a point where dps are dying so much that I'm able to output considerably more damage with a couple of holies than most of them are combined...well, there are some major issues going on that are not my fault, and in which case, blaming me is unreasonable yet again.

And yes, it is casual. Just because players are terrible at it doesn't make it hardcore content. WoD's mechanics are very predictable and intermittent, its raw damage is very manageable. In short, it is designed to be easy enough for the casual player to complete.

People not being able to turn away during mortal gaze or step into a comet for 5 seconds or find a group to stand in during lightning is far more ridiculous and unforgivable than messing up mechanics in say, coil, which is hardcore content. These are simple mechanics that require some serious derping to die to.

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In addition to what was said above, I'd like to point out that bard songs do not require multitasking. One button click activates a song. A healer has to watch health, and if they do dps, have to increase their awareness to manage their dps and manage their healing. Some people are not comfortable doing this or are not skilled enough to do this, and for much better reason than a bard has for not playing songs.

If a healer knows that dpsing will distract them from healing, I'd rather them leave the dpsing to the dps. Tunnel vision is a real thing that really affects some people.

Not to mention, a bard playing songs can make or break a run. A healer dpsing, short of dps lacking during dps checks (which is dps not doing their primary jobs well enough, not healers failing to do their primary job), will not. They have different levels of importance.

[nuyu11]

From my personal perspective, I don't mind healer dpsing as long they keep everyone hp full and resurrect people even they die many times. Don't be too stingy with your mana, I have song and I will play it for you with Mage's Ballad + Battle Voice.

[LTEvil]

Slight flaw with this argument, from a tank perspective though: Once a tank gets aggro, if the DPS are any good, they HAVE to keep their rotation going or risk losing it. It's why we have Provoke for those situations where a DPS goes a little too ham. Healers however, have very little to do once the party is managing to maintain over 70% hp consistently. This would be a good point, if it looks like DPS is lagging behind, for the healer to pitch in a little bit -- ESPECIALLY scholars.

Not saying healers absolutely have to DPS, however you're also dead weight if your group is more than capable of pulling through trash/bosses without the need to heal and you are sitting there doing nothing.

Read the first sentence or two again.